Fair play to Wilder for calling out Lumley

He hasn’t called him out there was nothing else he could say. He has been very supportive of him he has after all been picking him.
 
Lots of posters on this thread whose opinions I respect however I'm not supportive of the manager naming so many individuals as non-performing today. I don't get it and I simply can't see how anything positive can come of it. Saying things like "we've got a Northern Ireland international...." is disrespectful in my opinion. This is the first time we've lost two league games on the bounce under Wilder and he should remember that.

I was as frustrated as anyone today but I've seen that type of performance every season for the last 40.

And I also noticed no criticism of the two starting forwards. This is not a good sign.
 
BoroFur said:
Lots of posters on this thread whose opinions I respect however I'm not supportive of the manager naming so many individuals as non-performing today. I don't get it and I simply can't see how anything positive can come of it. Saying things like "we've got a Northern Ireland international...." is disrespectful in my opinion. This is the first time we've lost two league games on the bounce under Wilder and he should remember that.

I was as frustrated as anyone today but I've seen that type of performance every season for the last 40.

And I also noticed no criticism of the two starting forwards. This is not a good sign.
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Totally agree, and it comes on the back of Wilder’s comments about how many points he thinks we need to make the play offs. It can obviously be interpreted in different ways, but it came across in a slightly negative way.

Lets hope we can draw a line under this week and get a good result on Friday. Wilder has been great so far, but this is his first real test of character.
 
I'm disappointed tonight with Wilder, but certainly not because he gave a public dressing down to the team, all but Dijksteel.
I thought he got the forward selection wrong, then kept Connolly on when he was obviously below par, even for him. Balogun is far more dangerous.
He tried to cover Jones with Tav - and many could understand that - but the midfield toiled badly today and he really needed Tav in there when it was obvious it was not working.

So many of the team were very poor today.
Wilder was honest and fair about the man who's frailty cost us the match today after he has supported him so many many times this season.
 
Glover_elbow said:
I thought it was a bit much he critcised a lot of the team but his line up and experiment with Tav at wing back was massively detrimental to the midfield. also the wholesale changes at 60 mins made us worse rather than better it seemed like blind panic the midfield was all over the place when before we were very much still in the game. To me Wilder was as much if not more to blame than the players
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I didn't agree with changing it and going with the three strikers at 0-0. I get that Wilder goes out to win the game but you take that sort of risk when you're losing in my opinion, I.e. like he did vs Reading earlier in the season.

Wilder made another interesting comment where he said if you can't win the game it's important you don't get beat and said we need to find a way of doing that. Well if he'd changed it like for like and brought Coburn and Watmore on for Balogun and Connolly and stuck with the three in midfield I think there's every chance we would have come away with at least a point from that game today.
 
1finny said:
Wilder and his support team chose not to bring in another keeper
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BoroFur said:
Lots of posters on this thread whose opinions I respect however I'm not supportive of the manager naming so many individuals as non-performing today. I don't get it and I simply can't see how anything positive can come of it. Saying things like "we've got a Northern Ireland international...." is disrespectful in my opinion. This is the first time we've lost two league games on the bounce under Wilder and he should remember that.

I was as frustrated as anyone today but I've seen that type of performance every season for the last 40.

And I also noticed no criticism of the two starting forwards. This is not a good sign.
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Maybe because they will not be here next year ....the rest are his players for the forseeable
 
coluka said:
He is not even an average Championship Keeper. There are people on this board that argue a keeper doesn’t gain you many points, well we would be comfortably in the play offs with a bang average keeper rather than the gaffridden keeper we have. Yes all keepers make good saves and make mistakes, but the frequency of his that end up in goals is off the scale for me, compared to others we have had in the past.
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A really good keeper - a Randolph - is worth 10-15 points over a season.

An average one probably doesn’t gain you points with miracle saves and calming down the whole defence, but doesn’t cost you points with mistakes either.

Sadly with Lumley, and I do think he does some stuff quite well - we’ve never had a sweeper-keeper before which lets us play in a different way, he does make some decent saves - but his howlers probably cost us 10 points over a season. They’re so regular, one a match. Sometimes we get away with them, sometimes we don’t.
 
BoroFur said:
Lots of posters on this thread whose opinions I respect however I'm not supportive of the manager naming so many individuals as non-performing today. I don't get it and I simply can't see how anything positive can come of it. Saying things like "we've got a Northern Ireland international...." is disrespectful in my opinion. This is the first time we've lost two league games on the bounce under Wilder and he should remember that.

I was as frustrated as anyone today but I've seen that type of performance every season for the last 40.

And I also noticed no criticism of the two starting forwards. This is not a good sign.
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I agree with this entirely. It's the sort of result and performance that can happen when you're up against a team that come to sit in. If you don't get an early goal, it gets more and more difficult to break them down. The disruption with subs, goal kicks, throw ins etc. make it very hard to build any kind of momentum.

Shaming the players in public was unnecessary in my opinion.
 
parmoboy said:
I didn't agree with changing it and going with the three strikers at 0-0. I get that Wilder goes out to win the game but you take that sort of risk when you're losing in my opinion, I.e. like he did vs Reading earlier in the season.

Wilder made another interesting comment where he said if you can't win the game it's important you don't get beat and said we need to find a way of doing that. Well if he'd changed it like for like and brought Coburn and Watmore on for Balogun and Connolly and stuck with the three in midfield I think there's every chance we would have come away with at least a point from that game today.
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Crooks needing hooking. Was playing terribly and on a yellow, could never have seen out the game.
The question then becomes do you put on JLS or a 3rd striker. We know Wilder feels JLS is a last resort, hence the change. It wasn't the tactics, it was the application.
 
Do you get the best out of players by publicly lambasting them ? I really don't think so.
Joe Lumley has been truly awful this season and if we don't make the top 6 this season then our failure to replace him will almost certainly be a contributing factor.
 
Way_Out_West said:
Crooks needing hooking. Was playing terribly and on a yellow, could never have seen out the game.
The question then becomes do you put on JLS or a 3rd striker. We know Wilder feels JLS is a last resort, hence the change. It wasn't the tactics, it was the application.
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Yeah that's true. I suppose another option would have been to bring Peltier on for Crooks and move Tav into the middle, then try Djiksteel at RWB although I know he hasn't been that effective there in the past. I feel we'd have been more solid though and at least may not have lost the game.
 
Laughing said:
If my boss called me out for a mistake publicly at work I would walk out and not go back.

Calling players out in public is to satisfy peoples anger, no more, no less. Its bad management.
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Presumably your boss would be calling you out for making a huge mistake that cost the company dearly.

I'd say that says more about you if you'd walk out and not come back because your boss said "It's a mistake, Laughing should do better".
 
Laughing said:
If my boss called me out for a mistake publicly at work I would walk out and not go back.

Calling players out in public is to satisfy peoples anger, no more, no less. Its bad management.
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That sounds a bit flouncey. Can't you take criticism?
 
Laughing said:
If my boss called me out for a mistake publicly at work I would walk out and not go back.

Calling players out in public is to satisfy peoples anger, no more, no less. Its bad management.
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This is why I wasn't entirely comfortable with what he did yesterday. I've had managers in the past who've criticised me in front of work colleagues and others, and managers who've spoken to me in private and I know which manager I respected more.

I think Wilder just let his emotions get the better of him yesterday. A few times during the interview he stopped mid-sentence and sighed which said to me that really he was venting.

Equally I know each player is individual and different. Leadbitter for example said he loved Karankas' intensity and responds well to that kind of management style. Downing on the other hand hated it of course.
 
TeaCider said:
Presumably your boss would be calling you out for making a huge mistake that cost the company dearly.

I'd say that says more about you if you'd walk out and not come back because your boss said "It's a mistake, Laughing should do better".
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If he spoke to me in private, no problem. In public he would be unprofessional and vindictive. I would walk out. I don't want to work somewhere where a mistake is used to beat someone with. It's a terrible way to behave and happens in very few jobs,and shouldn't happen at all, in any job.

Baying fans who can't handle disappointment should perhaps follow another sport with no jeopardy.
 
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