Fair play to Wilder for calling out Lumley

[TeaCider]

If he spoke to me in private, no problem. In public he would be unprofessional and vindictive. I would walk out. I don't want to work somewhere where a mistake is used to beat someone with. It's a terrible way to behave and happens in very few jobs,and shouldn't happen at all, in any job.

Baying fans who can't handle disappointment should perhaps follow another sport with no jeopardy.

It's not being used to beat him at all.

He's made dozens of mistakes and this is the first time that Wilder has said he should do better. The mildest possible criticism.

In an ordinary job, an employee that keeps making costly errors would be sacked, he's not even losing his starting place.

People are blowing a fair comment massively out of proportion and making out like he's stuck the boot in.

 

[Angus]

I have tried to find out what Wilder said that was so bad and I can’t.

To suggest that the players had performed okay and that Lumley was unlucky would be “gaslighting” the fans.

If anything Wilder perhaps needs to mention the management team in yesterday performance.

 

[the_holgate_roof]

I think the fans deserve the manager comes out and tells it how it is, and like said nothing vindictive was said, in fact it would be bizarre not to mention the goalkeeper.

 

[Cuthbert]

Baying fans who can't handle disappointment should perhaps follow another sport with no jeopardy.

Maybe the same goes for the players.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

Poor management this if Lumley has been singled out after another goal shy performance.

 

[Soutra]

Forget the flouncing someone Made a great point yesterday how must Daniel’s and Brynn feel watching him make error after error gaffe after gaffe and still start the next game week after week.

Now that I don’t get.

Imagine how the rest of the team and squad must feel every time Connolly and co miss chances and give the ball away.

A good striker or strikers will win far more points for the team than a poor goalie will lose the team.

There won't be enough money to sign good strikers and a good goalie so it has to be strikers.

 

[UTB70]

Wilder should be saying we got balagun on 40k a week and connolly on possibly 25-30k both internationals, big reputations. They should be showing more than the average championship journeyman forward from the lower half of the table. They probs have worse record than majority of strikers in bottom 6. Chris martin at bristol and yes our own uche I noticed even maddo was sceptical about connolly now after showing faith in the lad previously He has had his chance and his link up and finishing is pretty poor .

 

[Jedi boro]

Imagine how the rest of the team and squad must feel every time Connolly and co miss chances and give the ball away.

A good striker or strikers will win far more points for the team than a poor goalie will lose the team.

There won't be enough money to sign good strikers and a good goalie so it has to be strikers.

That’s not the same at all as many factors are required to score goals and all strikers miss.

But for a keeper to see their no 1 be given cart Blanche despite noticeable errors must be disheartening.

Plus using your analogy the subs know they can and will come on later how often do you see a keeper subbed for poor performance mid game NEVER.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

The Watmore and Cibyen chances against Fulham for instance.

 

[Laughing]

Maybe the same goes for the players.

Again, its not to do with criticism, I am questioning the proffessionalism of a manager calling players out publicly. Lumley was not the worst player on the pitch yesterday, by a long way. Yes, he should have saved the shot that resulted in the goal, but there was plenty wrong yesterday.

He could simply have said, we got everything wrong, from team selection and formation through the substitutions and the players, all performed way below what I know they can.

Publicly criticizing any player by name, whilst ignoring his own part in yesterdays faillings doesn't do anyone any good. It probably made Wilder feel better, and the fans, who also want someone to blame.

 

[BoroFur]

If anything Wilder perhaps needs to mention the management team in yesterday performance.

Spot on. Criticism of individual players only has credibility if the manager acknowledges that he and his staff are culpable in some way. Otherwise it just creates a them and us situation.

 

[BoroFur]

I think the fans deserve the manager comes out and tells it how it is, and like said nothing vindictive was said, in fact it would be bizarre not to mention the goalkeeper.

Equally bizarre for the manager not to mention his own failings and those of his coaching staff.

 

[the_holgate_roof]

Equally bizarre for the manager not to mention his own failings and those of his coaching staff.

What failings are you suggesting, man for man we had a better team, on the edge of the play off’s, against a team in 20th and the players once they crossed that white line should do their jobs, Wilder can’t strike every ball or save every shot.

 

[BoroFur]

What failings are you suggesting, man for man we had a better team, on the edge of the play off’s, against a team in 20th and the players once they crossed that white line should do their jobs, Wilder can’t strike every ball or save every shot.

He criticised by name every single one of the starting 11 bar Dijksteel, Connolly and Balogun. He then said he needed to get them in on Monday and make training positive. How can training be positive when he's slagged off the lot of them except the MoM and our two non-goalscoring centre forwards?

Rank poor man-management.

 

[Colgates_shaving_foam]

With all due respect to Laughing, nobody cares about about what you do at work, what I do at work or what anyone on here does at work.

Being a professional footballer is a totally different scenario and it's very much in the public eye, therefor I think it's fair for the manager to make a public comment in response to a question.

Wilder has tried the nicey nicey approach with Lumley and it hasn't worked. Lumley still cannot be bothered to concentrate for the duration of a football match, this is absolutely unforgiveable and Wilder maybe sees calling him out publicly as a last roll of the dice before he has to change it. Ideally it will wake Lumley up as IF he can keep switched on then he does a good job as a sweeper keeper and we don't have anyone else who can do that.

I'd give him another game to see how he responds, hopefully he has a grown up mentality and shows a bit of fortitude rather than being a jelly legged coward but we shall see.

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

I'm not sure he has 'shamed' anyone really. Maybe Wilder thinks they shamed themselves with a performance that was clearly below the standards we've set since he's been here. Wilder's an experienced bloke who knows what he's doing. People saying he's more responsible for the result than Lumley, well, ultimately he is because he's the manager but Hull made one chance all game. Tav cleared it off the line.

We got into good positions numerous times and faffed, wasted it, dived, spooned it, gave it away, made a mess of it. You don't usually blame individuals but everyone knows Lumley made a massive howler yesterday and it's cost us a point. It was a bizarre piece of goalkeeping and the manager saying it in public isn't really a big deal IMO. He needs to be saving it.

 

[the_holgate_roof]

He criticised by name every single one of the starting 11 bar Dijksteel, Connolly and Balogun. He then said he needed to get them in on Monday and make training positive. How can training be positive when he's slagged off the lot of them except the MoM and our two non-goalscoring centre forwards?

Rank poor man-management.

Or, in my experience, in any line of work, nobody likes to be called out for all to see and people will go into self survival mode to ensure they are never left exposed to be in that position again, a good sharp kick can often do the job to remove any complacency.

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

Also, the reaction to this defeat is way over the top IMO. We were poor and didn't deserve to win it but we didn't deserve to lose either. We've been poor at Brammall Lane and poor yesterday. Not much else in terms of that. McGree had so many chances to shoot yesterday and didn't, Connolly put one wide, we actually scored a goal that was ruled out for offside which looked pretty tight. We got into some great positions but messed up the final moment. These games can happen, even under Aitor when we went up automatically they happened from time to time. Teams come and sit in and if you don't score early it becomes really tricky.

I think we need to keep a sense of perspective. You know that Bournemouth and Huddersfield won't fancy playing us. When Wilder came in the consensus was we should aim for the playoffs and that's what we're dong. We won't win every game and you can't address every issue in the team in one window. Just hang fire a bit.

 

[Laughing]

With all due respect to Laughing, nobody cares about about what you do at work, what I do at work or what anyone on here does at work.

Being a professional footballer is a totally different scenario and it's very much in the public eye, therefor I think it's fair for the manager to make a public comment in response to a question.

Wilder has tried the nicey nicey approach with Lumley and it hasn't worked. Lumley still cannot be bothered to concentrate for the duration of a football match, this is absolutely unforgiveable and Wilder maybe sees calling him out publicly as a last roll of the dice before he has to change it. Ideally it will wake Lumley up as IF he can keep switched on then he does a good job as a sweeper keeper and we don't have anyone else who can do that.

I'd give him another game to see how he responds, hopefully he has a grown up mentality and shows a bit of fortitude rather than being a jelly legged coward but we shall see.

We will have to agree to disagree. Wilder could and should have said what he had to say behind closed doors. It's much more effective than a public lashing. How anyone thinks that is going to improve a playerrs performance beggars belief.

Whether they are in the public eye or not doesn't change the rules of decent behaviour, though I accept that Wilder didn't go too far. It seems to me it's much more to do with football fans inability to deal with the ravages of an invasion sport.

Your comment "jelly legged coward" is far more pertinent to our fans, given the reaction of some, after the game.

One other comment, on this thread, I believe, he is a F***ing disgrace... Really, this is how we measure a human being.

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

We will have to agree to disagree. Wilder could and should have said what he had to say behind closed doors. It's much more effective than a public lashing. How anyone thinks that is going to improve a playerrs performance beggars belief.

Whether they are in the public eye or not doesn't change the rules of decent behaviour, though I accept that Wilder didn't go too far. It seems to me it's much more to do with football fans inability to deal with the ravages of an invasion sport.

Your comment "jelly legged coward" is far more pertinent to our fans, given the reaction of some, after the game.

One other comment, on this thread, I believe, he is a F***ing disgrace... Really, this is how we measure a human being.

He hasn't given anyone a 'lashing' though has he? He said the 'keeper should be saving it. That's literally all he said.