Hmmmm!😜 Very interesting article about 'Boro's problem's in midfield!

I'd also argue about his successes, he has had one promotion in a decade, his heyday has come and gone. He isn't terrible, but he is limited. Until he can put a team together capable of beating sides in teh top half of the table rather than the bottom 8 then we will fall down the table again. It's a quirk of fixtures that sees us 6th right now. Brum at Home, we should/must win, then Luton and West Brom away will be a real challenge and if don't win one we will be back outside the top 6.
a decade? What are you going on about now? We can only go on what he's doing at our club right now.

'a quirk of fixtures' - it's a dreadful excuse for success. you don't win games by accident in the championship.

the rest you are just stating the obvious we should win games and if we don't win games we could drop our league position!
 
Jeez, I'm exhausted.
Me too. Easy to write something off or say it's crap, broken or will eventually fail. It's easy for people to understand, easy for people to regurgitate without thinking.

Much harder to explain the merits of something and prove: not only that the negative overly simplified fabrication is false, but that the slightly more complicated positive scenario exists and is true.

'Warnock out' is very much of the 'Get Brexit Done' narrative.

I've whipped out my fully costed manifesto showing a respectable playoff finish and am made out to be the impossible crank or in certain circles the destructive terrorist! Meanwhile the Warnock out brigade are ******* all over what could be a very decent season, parts on the backs for internet trolls and thumbs up for cat vvankers.
 
a decade? What are you going on about now? We can only go on what he's doing at our club right now.

'a quirk of fixtures' - it's a dreadful excuse for success. you don't win games by accident in the championship.

the rest you are just stating the obvious we should win games and if we don't win games we could drop our league position!
Its a little strange and bordering on sycophantic the way youre going on about Warnock. One final time, we're 6th but 6th at this time is the same as 11th and only a couple of points better than 15/16th. Fair and reasonable to say our league position is flattering considering how bad we've been for the most part this season. Im not sure what point youre trying to make, and you dont really seem to be able to get it accross in a succint or concise way? If you like Warnock, great. I dont and look forward to him leaving because he is tacky imho and we can do better or more specifically; we need to try a different approach to get out of this league. However, ive said before we neeeded him to get us out of a mess. He did. thanks
 
Its a little strange and bordering on sycophantic the way youre going on about Warnock. One final time, we're 6th but 6th at this time is the same as 11th and only a couple of points better than 15/16th. Fair and reasonable to say our league position is flattering considering how bad we've been for the most part this season. Im not sure what point youre trying to make, and you dont really seem to be able to get it accross in a succint or concise way? If you like Warnock, great. I dont and look forward to him leaving because he is tacky imho and we can do better or more specifically; we need to try a different approach to get out of this league. However, ive said before we neeeded him to get us out of a mess. He did. thanks
Strange and Sycophantic?

I don't like folks making up stuff, passing it off as fact and then having a pop at me for saying it's made up. I get that you don't like Warnock, for whatever reason.. I don't care I don't need to know and I'm not interested.

The problem that I have is that folks are making out that we are not progressing as a team WE ARE folks making out that our players aren't being coached properly THEY ARE making out that Kieron Scott signed players that Neil Warnock didn't want NOT TRUE

'we need to try a different approach to get out of this league' - do we? what approach is that then? you're not down for the continual improvement approach, improving our academy players as be bring in players superior to those that have left whilst at the same time reducing our un sustainable wage bill.

Who are you to decide that after all the work that the players, club and management has done that we just tear it up on a whim.. just because.
 
Me too. Easy to write something off or say it's crap, broken or will eventually fail. It's easy for people to understand, easy for people to regurgitate without thinking.
I am thinking, I'm thinking he's beaten three of the worst teams in the league, that doesn't prove anything. I'm thinking, we were absolutely **** poor for the first 43 weeks of this year, week 44 was pretty good, I'm not gonna get carried away and get my foam hands out and start happy clapping and booking the hotel for a play off victory just yet.

Much harder to explain the merits of something and prove
I agree, but that doesn't mean the positives should be over stated either, or the negatives should be hidden down the back of the settee because they're an inconvenient truth

'Warnock out' is very much of the 'Get Brexit Done' narrative.
It really isn't, the opposite is true, because logic says we shouldn't have exited the EU, for some people the heart ignored reality and they wanted out. Warnocks teams form has been awful for 10 months, the logic is he's failed, but for some people the heart stays with him.

I've whipped out my fully costed manifesto showing a respectable playoff finish and am made out to be the impossible crank or in certain circles the destructive terrorist!
No your not a crank or a terrorist, you have faith that's great, I'm happy for you, but my faith has been battered by the reality of the last 10 months. I'm now working purely on logic until he actually starts to get a team beating decent sides and 10 game unbeaten runs. We need consistency and an uplift in performances against the top half sides, then I'll reconsider my position. It's all in Warnock's hands though, he wants support, he has to get his team performing for the season not for a week. Even Woodgate had a good week.
 
'a quirk of fixtures' - it's a dreadful excuse for success. you don't win games by accident in the championship.
we played three of the worst teams in 7 days, that is a quirk.

We still have to play 6 of the top 10 teams (we've only played 3), we only have 3 of the bottom 10 to play. We have a very tough run in to the half way stage, now if Warnock keeps us where we are, fair play to him. It's a big ask
 
Strange and Sycophantic?

I don't like folks making up stuff, passing it off as fact and then having a pop at me for saying it's made up. I get that you don't like Warnock, for whatever reason.. I don't care I don't need to know and I'm not interested.

The problem that I have is that folks are making out that we are not progressing as a team WE ARE folks making out that our players aren't being coached properly THEY ARE making out that Kieron Scott signed players that Neil Warnock didn't want NOT TRUE

'we need to try a different approach to get out of this league' - do we? what approach is that then? you're not down for the continual improvement approach, improving our academy players as be bring in players superior to those that have left whilst at the same time reducing our un sustainable wage bill.

Who are you to decide that after all the work that the players, club and management has done that we just tear it up on a whim.. just because.
Everything youve said is totally and completely right. Have a goodun
 
I am thinking,
43 weeks? we’re 14 games into season!

We finished 10th season and we’re looking to improve on that this season. No one would have had us finishing top 10 at the start of last season and folks being critical of us not reaching the playoffs is laughable. We’re ONE GAME away from Aitor Karanka’s record!

Yet somehow he’s the messiah and Warnock is dog muck.. we have to win ‘the right way’ with a foreign manager or some league one guy that some meff from watford has decided is the obvious choice for our next manager!

‘yeah, agree 100% mate’ ‘further evidence that Warnock is not the man for the job’
 
43 weeks? we’re 14 games into season!

We finished 10th season and we’re looking to improve on that this season. No one would have had us finishing top 10 at the start of last season and folks being critical of us not reaching the playoffs is laughable. We’re ONE GAME away from Aitor Karanka’s record!

Yet somehow he’s the messiah and Warnock is dog muck.. we have to win ‘the right way’ with a foreign manager or some league one guy that some meff from watford has decided is the obvious choice for our next manager!

‘yeah, agree 100% mate’ ‘further evidence that Warnock is not the man for the job’
HE wasn't the messiah, but he did better for us than Warnock, who has had a shocking 10 months to be honest. He has 1 win in 12 against top ten sides in 2021.....that kind of record is terminal to any chance of improving beyond midtable.
 
HE wasn't the messiah, but he did better for us than Warnock, who has had a shocking 10 months to be honest. He has 1 win in 12 against top ten sides in 2021.....that kind of record is terminal to any chance of improving beyond midtable.
You can’t compare Karanka’s season with a settled squad, huge investment and time with Warnock’s post Monk, Pulis, Woodgate car crash of a squad with next to no investment and much less time!

10 months, 10 months.. your like a broken record. We’ve only just got onto an even keel. This season where the aim is the playoffs cannot be compared with a league smashing season where Karanka had already had a go at it and reached the play off final. Last season was one of stability and consolidation., we overachieved to finish in 10th place. The closest comparison would have been Karanka’s first season.. where we gained the exact same amount of points!

We’re only one game down this season vs Karanka’s 2nd season and he had a much better squad to start off with and much greater investment.

He did not do better than Warnock comparing like for like. If Warnock fails to get us in the playoffs this season then that would possibly be true.. but not until that happens at the end of the season. Also Karanka still didn’t manage promotion that season.. canny day out like.
 
You can’t compare Karanka’s season with a settled squad, huge investment and time with Warnock’s post Monk, Pulis, Woodgate car crash of a squad with next to no investment and much less time!
I'm no t comparing Karankas season, you are. I'm just looking at the last 10 months of terrible football and poor results and player misuse. One thing we know is that in 2021 Warnock has had a lot of investment, Payero was 5mill, Kebano and Bolasie didn't come and play for buttons, he's signed 12 players this summer. He can't complain about investment.

He did not do better than Warnock comparing like for like.
what promotion and a play off final is worse than midtable mediocrity? OK

Anyway, we're not going to agree on this, not right now. If it helps, I hope you are right and I am wrong and he takes us up
 
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I'm no t comparing Karankas season, you are. I'm just looking at the last 10 months of terrible football and poor results and player misuse. One thing we know is that in 2021 Warnock has had a lot of investment, Payero was 5mill, Kebano and Bolasie didn't come and play for buttons, he's signed 12 players this summer. He can't complain about investment.


what promotion and a play off final is worse than midtable mediocrity? OK
We’ve had Payero for for how long? 3 full appearances and you’re still going on about the last 10 months!

Kebano was on loan for the 2nd half of the season as was Bolasie (who wasn’t fully fit for most of that) the both of them do not compare to the quality of the playersand length of contracts of the players Karanka had at his disposal.

Karanka finished 12th in his first season and Warnock finished 10th

Midtable mediocrity.. just better than Karanka
 
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We’ve had Payero for for how long? 3 full appearances and you’re still going on about the last 10 months!
because you can't excuse 10 months of poor performances and results, regardless of when a season starts or ends.
Kebano was on loan for the 2nd half of the season as was Bolasie
irrelevant these were the players he wanted, were on prem wages and he even benched Kebano often

Karanka finished 12th in his first season and Warnock finished 10th
Karanka inherited a squad that had been under financed for 5 years, Warnock inherited a squad which cost a huge amount of money. You can't really compare those two for many reasons like this, different times, different resources.
 
because you can't excuse 10 months of poor performances and results, regardless of when a season starts or ends.

irrelevant these were the players he wanted, were on prem wages and he even benched Kebano often


Karanka inherited a squad that had been under financed for 5 years, Warnock inherited a squad which cost a huge amount of money. You can't really compare those two for many reasons like this, different times, different resources.
8 games of saving the club from relegation and then achieving the exact same amount of points as Karanka did in his first season.

NML & Bolasie were both unfit and a gamble, Kebano was a last minute Fulham reject.. definitely not first choices for the 2nd half of the season.

Karanka inherited a team that had been fixed by Mowbray after Strachan’s disaster. Warnock drhad to fix a team inherited from Woodgate after Monk and Pulis bought dreadful overpriced players.

Warnock is doing a Mowbray AND a Karanka but is getting punished because he saved the club in eight games.

You can’t compare because like for like Warnock stacks up against ‘our most classy manager in recent years’.. it doesn’t fit the absolute bull being peddled around that our success lies with a completely unknown manager and an unproven Keiron Scott who is going to work miracles. It’s delusional on a Geordie level!!
 
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Aitor Karanka Season 2014/15 with Nsue, Friend and Gibson out. (Dijksteel, Bola & Fry) add into that 14 games in Vossen, Bamford & Kike still finding their feet (Payero, Sporar & Ikpeazu)

It’s still somewhat of an unfair comparison in a season that would see a finish between 9th and 4th as a success. I predict a 6th place finish with us on 33 points by the 18th December something closer to our ‘league smashing season’ of Monk and Pulis - one in which fans look back as being successful and laud praise over real life dinosaur and anti-football merchant blag hard Tony Pulis

Neil Warnock, our classiest manager in years. A Tony Mowbray with the ability to set up a defence and an Aitor Karanka with a smile (and man management skills). Here’s to a successful season, where fans start watching the games rather that the online tragedies fabricated by men who love their socks too much.
 
Karanka inherited a team that had been fixed by Mowbray after Strachan’s disaster.
you are forgetting how bad a squad Mogga had assembled by and large and how he was heading us towards relegation in his last season. Mogga had Butterfield, Hines, Hoyte, Ledesma, Main, Richardson, Smallwood, Steele, Whitehead, Rhys Williams, it was a team of crocks and failures. There were a few shining lights, but he had inherited a broken squad not a fixed one.
 
[Hi Newy]

I like the man like an uncle or former soldier - whom I would pay to see at the Nops and listen to his life experiences and funny stories.
His non-conformity to stereotypes appeals and his unorthodox approach to Management is interesting.

But: [and you knew that was coming...] he appears to big - up some players, which I cant see the reason for - other than to prove his good judgement.

He criticises players in the media and I think that should be kept in the dressing room or one-to-one in the office.
If anything - he appears to manage a team better when he has little or no resources.

We all appreciate he has had little or no money and stopped the slide towards joing the Mackems in the Third Division. So pleased when he told Gestede he could "leave now" [Thats a side I admire!].

The recent period with "key" players out has been our most successful.[Coincidence or not? I dont know].
Its terrific that we have climbed the table, but for me that`s because the same core of players has been consistent for the first time since the start of the season.

I want Neil to take us up, but more than that I want our club to go up and stay up.

A new Manager is reportedly in the pipeline, and I hope for the sake of the Area, the Club, us Fans and the team - we get the right one and give him / her a chance (y)


UTMB!
 
you are forgetting how bad a squad Mogga had assembled by and large and how he was heading us towards relegation in his last season. Mogga had Butterfield, Hines, Hoyte, Ledesma, Main, Richardson, Smallwood, Steele, Whitehead, Rhys Williams, it was a team of crocks and failures. There were a few shining lights, but he had inherited a broken squad not a fixed one.
Morning Mart.
He also had Leadbitter, Friend and Ayala(y)
 
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