Hmmmm!😜 Very interesting article about 'Boro's problem's in midfield!

he has become a worse manager that he hasn't learnt to move with the times and still goes by the play book of 1995 when Paul Wilkinson was too classy for the championship, these days his quality would be Peterborough level. It's a far more technical game these days and Warnock still dumbs it down
I'd be interested to see how you qualify that statement.

What players from our squad would you see in a 1995 squad? Dijksteel, Bola, Fry, McNair, Tavernier & Browne are all very much players of the modern era and have been coached back into the picture by Warnock.
 
we could make the top six, but we have to start beating top ten teams to do that. We will fall short if we keep doing so badly against top 10 teams. Those are the six pointers that decide where we finish. We've proven that we can largely beat the cannon fodder. So won't be in the relegation shake up. Right now I'd peg us at about 10th unless we find another gear that's been elusive since late 2020.

That isn't being negative, or positive, it's just the reality of our form and limitations in our ability for nearly a year.

2nd - Fulham, we got a good point, but we rode our luck and put our only real chance away
4th Coventry - comfortably beat us
7th - QPR comfortably beat us on our ground
11th Blackpool beat us at our ground

I agree those sides 4th-12th are no great shakes, but we still haven't been beating them
QPR didn't comfortably beat us. The game could have gone either way.
Blackpool game we were good value 1st half but poor in the second. We could easily have won both games.
Generally we've been very good at home and I've enjoyed all the games. We've had a go at sides and played some good attacking stuff...
 
It's about the momentum and direction of travel, we've been crap for 10 months. You seem to have a desire to wipe the slate clean for the abysmal second half of last season, it was horrific form. You can't pretend that didn't happen, by saying that was last season and ok, we didn't start well this season but we've just beaten three bad teams.

Will we still be top 6 at the international break...?
We had no right to be challenging for the playoffs, we didn't have the players to compete and we clearly didn't have the finances available to bring those players in. we over achieved last season by finishing 10th

Fletcher was injured all season, Assombalonga was dog dirt, we had no back up for Fry or Tavernier. NML was still drying out and never got up to speed. Bolasie was in desperate need of game time, he got it but also picked up injuries.

We can't keep judging this seasons performance based on last seasons.. and at the same time undervaluing our performance last season. We've started pretty much the same as Karanka's play off season.. I firmly believe we will be in and around our 'league smashing season' anything above 10th place is a success. Will we still be top 6 at the international break? Doesn't really matter, I think well be on at least 33 points by 18th December and I think we'll finish 6th place at the end of the season.
 
QPR didn't comfortably beat us. The game could have gone either way.
Blackpool game we were good value 1st half but poor in the second. We could easily have won both games.
Generally we've been very good at home and I've enjoyed all the games. We've had a go at sides and played some good attacking stuff...
The game is always won by hw decisive you are in both boxes and in those games above we were poor in both, it's been a theme for a while we had 7 cleansheets in 36 games in 2021 until the last week against some of the worst championship sides I've seen in some time. We're also anemic up top.

There's a lot still to prove if we are to believe he has turned a corner.
 
We can't keep judging this seasons performance based on last seasons..
I'm not, I'm pointing out that nothing had changed this season compared to last season until a week ago, when we suddenly showed a bit of professionalism and actually put three very poor sides away.

If he wants to turn this around he has to show over the next three games that he can beat better sides than cannon fodder, that he can organise a defence against sides with a half decent attack.
 
I'm not, I'm pointing out that nothing had changed this season compared to last season until a week ago, when we suddenly showed a bit of professionalism and actually put three very poor sides away.

If he wants to turn this around he has to show over the next three games that he can beat better sides than cannon fodder, that he can organise a defence against sides with a half decent attack.
I am s little worried about Deeney, always plays well against us...
 
I'm not, I'm pointing out that nothing had changed this season compared to last season until a week ago, when we suddenly showed a bit of professionalism and actually put three very poor sides away.

If he wants to turn this around he has to show over the next three games that he can beat better sides than cannon fodder, that he can organise a defence against sides with a half decent attack.
As with any team any manager if results take a downward turn then their position becomes untenable as we saw with big mick at Cardiff, any season will have it's ups and downs and even the best teams get beat by teams and turn out unexpected results. I think the defeat against Hull was unexpected and was an extra blow given that we actually played well and created so many chances. We as a collective can't just throw the baby out with the bathwater based on that one result. We are not in a position to expect automatic promotion this season as I've said before finishing above 10th place this season would be a success albeit not one as big as we would like.

A sixth place finish is realistic I think, most if not all fans should be eternally grateful to Warnock is he is able to turnover such a feat.

2020–21 - 77 POINTS
2019–20 - 70 POINTS
2018–19 - 74 POINTS
2017–18 - 75 POINTS
2016–17 - 80 POINTS

Last five years of sixth place finished gives us a decent range of 70-80 points 1.5ppg to 1.7ppg

Where are we now (super early to predict this sort of thing by the way) 21 points after 14 games 1.5ppg right on target for where we want to be.

I have predicted us to be on at least 33 points at the half way stage after 23 games 1.43ppg which would leave us slightly under the curve but I've calculated an uplift based on January additions providing cover, injured players returning and the summer arrivals being more productive in the 2nd half.

We are where we need to be, we're looking strong despite injuries to key players and missing out on two rather important transfer targets.
 
As with any team any manager if results take a downward turn then their position becomes untenable as we saw with big mick at Cardiff, any season will have it's ups and downs and even the best teams get beat by teams and turn out unexpected results. I think the defeat against Hull was unexpected and was an extra blow given that we actually played well and created so many chances. We as a collective can't just throw the baby out with the bathwater based on that one result. We are not in a position to expect automatic promotion this season as I've said before finishing above 10th place this season would be a success albeit not one as big as we would like.

A sixth place finish is realistic I think, most if not all fans should be eternally grateful to Warnock is he is able to turnover such a feat.

2020–21 - 77 POINTS
2019–20 - 70 POINTS
2018–19 - 74 POINTS
2017–18 - 75 POINTS
2016–17 - 80 POINTS

Last five years of sixth place finished gives us a decent range of 70-80 points 1.5ppg to 1.7ppg

Where are we now (super early to predict this sort of thing by the way) 21 points after 14 games 1.5ppg right on target for where we want to be.

I have predicted us to be on at least 33 points at the half way stage after 23 games 1.43ppg which would leave us slightly under the curve but I've calculated an uplift based on January additions providing cover, injured players returning and the summer arrivals being more productive in the 2nd half.

We are where we need to be, we're looking strong despite injuries to key players and missing out on two rather important transfer targets.
I really hope you are right and Warnock does as well as Karanka did in his play-off season, we were challenging for auto promotion right until the last few games that year.

Just to correct your stats BTW - 1.5 ppg is only 69 points, the average needed for playoffs is 75, so not quite right on target.
We need to average 1.7 ppg for the rest of the season. Roughly 10 points every 6 games. 3 wins, 1 draw, 2 defeats.
Definitely doable.
 
I'm not, I'm pointing out that nothing had changed this season compared to last season until a week ago, when we suddenly showed a bit of professionalism and actually put three very poor sides away.

If he wants to turn this around he has to show over the next three games that he can beat better sides than cannon fodder, that he can organise a defence against sides with a half decent attack.
Exactly this. Plus managerial experience does factor into things.Woodgate inexperienced manager, nearly took us down but had a great playing career at some top clubs. Karanka similar ilk, salvaged a season, and took us back up and inheritd a mess and in his first job. Warnock should of known better and the writing was on the wall with how last seen ended up and how preseason went to know enough thst he needed a different plan altogether
 
I know we're 6th but theres five other clubs on the same number of points. Goal difference means nothing at this stage so for me we're 6th in the same way we're 11th. Im not a warnock fan. Hes a tacky manager and if the last threee games have shown anything its that hes been getting things very wrong with these players for a considerable time. For example; anyone who watched us pre-season, the wing back system thing he was trying wasnt working then against league 2 opponents, yet he perservered with it until his job was potentially at risk. Last 5 games with the exception of Cardiff ( although they also hit the woodwork at 0-1 dont forget), could of gone either way. What i mean is there hasnt been a game for about a year we're you could say we deserved that and were definitely the better team. Lets see what he does against better opposition and what the table looks like then. Table will start to spread out over the next couple games so key now is maintaining good results even if imho, some of our recent results have been a bit lucky
Elements of your post I agree with but I still feel you’re overly harsh on Warnock
He’s had a lot of disruption to deal with and change
I think he’s handling it with some skill
Cardiff game could’ve been different but you could say that about so many games regarding the taking of chances so that’s unfair
We were professional and scored a 2nd to kill the game and the team is shaping up nicely
And I know that’s partly because he was forced into that by injuries but that’s a nice bit of luck and I want a lucky manager!
 
Elements of your post I agree with but I still feel you’re overly harsh on Warnock
He’s had a lot of disruption to deal with and change
I think he’s handling it with some skill
Cardiff game could’ve been different but you could say that about so many games regarding the taking of chances so that’s unfair
We were professional and scored a 2nd to kill the game and the team is shaping up nicely
And I know that’s partly because he was forced into that by injuries but that’s a nice bit of luck and I want a lucky manager!
We seem to be creating more chances. Cardiff game 0-4 wouldnt of flattered us. But as ive said thats the only game where weve clearly been the better side/ deserved the win and yet they still nearly got back in. Three good results dont erase an incredibly poor second half of last season, worrying pre season or a bad start to this one. Lets see where we go fron here but lets not pretend that Warnock is somehow the guru behind a couple of lucky wins when it was his refusal to reconsider the system / personell that got us off to a bad start
 
Exactly this. Plus managerial experience does factor into things.Woodgate inexperienced manager, nearly took us down but had a great playing career at some top clubs. Karanka similar ilk, salvaged a season, and took us back up and inheritd a mess and in his first job. Warnock should of known better and the writing was on the wall with how last seen ended up and how preseason went to know enough thst he needed a different plan altogether
is that why we brought in 12 new players and changed the shape of the team?
 
We seem to be creating more chances. Cardiff game 0-4 wouldnt of flattered us. But as ive said thats the only game where weve clearly been the better side/ deserved the win and yet they still nearly got back in. Three good results dont erase an incredibly poor second half of last season, worrying pre season or a bad start to this one. Lets see where we go fron here but lets not pretend that Warnock is somehow the guru behind a couple of lucky wins when it was his refusal to reconsider the system / personell that got us off to a bad start
"The ONLY game where we've been clearly the better side" !!!
You can't have seen many games...Bristol City, Forest, Sheff Utd, Barnsley, Posh ???
 
We seem to be creating more chances. Cardiff game 0-4 wouldnt of flattered us. But as ive said thats the only game where weve clearly been the better side/ deserved the win and yet they still nearly got back in. Three good results dont erase an incredibly poor second half of last season, worrying pre season or a bad start to this one. Lets see where we go fron here but lets not pretend that Warnock is somehow the guru behind a couple of lucky wins when it was his refusal to reconsider the system / personell that got us off to a bad start
last season was completely different, no fletcher, having to carry britt, akpom failing to make the grade and having to rely on bringing in injured. unfit players in january to make up the numbers.

it's completely disingenuous to attribute our wins to pure luck or accident but then say our losses have been very deliberate and down to poor coaching.
 
2021/22 Season vs 2014/15 Season

Joe Lumley - Dimitrios Konstantopoulos
Anfernee Dijksteel - Ryan Fredericks
Grant Hall - Kenneth Omeruo
Dael Fry - Ben Gibson
Marcus Tavernier - Albert Adomah
Onel Hernández - Yanic Wildschut
Uche Ikpeazu - Kike
Martín Payero - Jelle Vossen
Andraž Šporar - Patrick Bamford
Marcus Browne - Jordan Jones
Toyosi Olusanya - Emmanuel Ledesma
Lee Peltier - Dean Whitehead
Jonny Howson - Adam Clayton
Paddy McNair - Daniel Ayala
Duncan Watmore - Lee Tomlin
Darnell Fisher - Damia
Sammy Ameobi - Mustapha Carayol
Sol Bamba - Jonathan Woodgate
James Léa Siliki - Adam Forshaw
Connor Malley - Miloš Veljković
Matt Crooks - Grant Leadbitter
Marc Bola - George Friend
Luke Daniels - Tomás Mejías
Dejan Stojanović - Jamal Blackman
Jeremy Sivi - James Husband
Isaiah Jones - Adam Reach
Brad James - Jason Steele
Josh Coburn - Luke Williams
Malik Dijksteel - Bradley Fewster
Cain Sykes - Richard Smallwood


Seb Hines - the central defender we didn't bring in
Tomáš Kalas - The fullback we didn't bring in


Neil Warnock 2021/22 season
DWLDDLWLLWLWWW W6 D3 L5

Aitor Karanka 2014/15 season
WLWLLWWWDDWWLD W7 D3 L4
 
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last season was completely different, no fletcher, having to carry britt, akpom failing to make the grade and having to rely on bringing in injured. unfit players in january to make up the numbers.

it's completely disingenuous to attribute our wins to pure luck or accident but then say our losses have been very deliberate and down to poor coaching.
No it wasnt and this seasons losses have been our own fault for the most part.
 
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