'Jonathan has my total support'

Woody got the job because
A) He said he would play attacking football. That's the very clear mandate. High press attacking football. This comes from the fans. From the discontent with the Karanka and Pulis regimes, McLaren even. It's behind the appointment of monk and woody.

B) we have no money.

Let's say we ask Neil Warnock to come in. You've got to keep the team up. You've got to play attractive attacking football. You'll have no money to spend.
Not a chance.

I doubt woody was the only option. But to transform a bunch of cloggers into a high press attacking team, with no money, you're not going to get many high quality options willing to trash their reputations.

Now we've lost a few games point A no longer applies. People will accept us clawing our way out of trouble any which way. Maybes he's convinced that only relegation can end the calls for attacking football for more than half dozen matches.
Rather than pragmatist, romanticist, pragmatist, romanticist we can go pragmatist, pragmatist, pragmatist.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Woody got the job because
A) He said he would play attacking football. That's the very clear mandate. High press attacking football. This comes from the fans. From the discontent with the Karanka and Pulis regimes, McLaren even. It's behind the appointment of monk and woody.

B) we have no money.

Let's say we ask Neil Warnock to come in. You've got to keep the team up. You've got to play attractive attacking football. You'll have no money to spend.
Not a chance.

I doubt woody was the only option. But to transform a bunch of cloggers into a high press attacking team, with no money, you're not going to get many high quality options willing to trash their reputations.

Now we've lost a few games point A no longer applies. People will accept us clawing our way out of trouble any which way. Maybes he's convinced that only relegation can end the calls for attacking football for more than half dozen matches.
Rather than pragmatist, romanticist, pragmatist, romanticist we can go pragmatist, pragmatist, pragmatist.
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You don't need money, as countless clubs have proved. You need a good management team and a scouting and recruitment structure who know what they're doing.
 
Block21 said:
ah right because I’m not a multi millionaire I can’t have an opinion on the club. Your in the minority in your opinion so I don’t get why you have singled us 2 out. At the end of the day, he is making bad decisions. Paying fans who love the bones of the club are gonna be disappointed . It’s that simple. If your willing to lap it up then good for you.

Of course you can have an opinion, I never said you couldn't, in fact you have quite a few, putting them into practice is something totally different.
Of course fans are disappointed, angry and upset but it is a complex situation. It's not about lapping it up, but it's a very complex situation, if you really think Steve Gibson sits there thinking right, how he can mess things up, how can I get us relegated, turn the fans against me and waste my millions is laughable, yes he has made mistakes tell me someone who hasn't (except for you and Pog maybe) and he has certainly paid for them.

You might not, but I have total faith mistakes and all, that Steve Gibson only wants the best MFC and its fans and one way or another things will improve, you bail out now if you want to but I'm not for bailing.

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atypical_boro said:
I don't really see how Woodgate is so much of a better financial appointment than others? He won't be working for free, will he be cheaper than someone like Pearson? Maybe, but we're not so skint we couldn't have afforded a manager with some experience. We interviewed Jokanovic remember, other managers wouldn't have been anywhere near as expensive.
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I think he will have been cheaper than the likes of Pearson and many other experienced managers, and the reality is, Gibson opted for him over others because he knew he'd be a yes man.

It almost had the feel of being a 'I'll scratch your back, you scratch mine' arrangement, in the sense that Gibson knew he was making a cheap appointment, somebody who'd be quite happy to sit in the hotseat, and not challenge any decisions the Chairman makes, and as far as Woodgate was concerned, he was offered the opportunity of a lifetime - a chance to manage his hometown club.

I also think Gibson over-estimated Woodgate's popularity with Boro fans. Woodgate isn't a Boro legend like Southgate and Mogga. He's always been a divisive character, but I think Gibson probably naively felt fans would be less likely to stick the boot in because of Woodgate being a Boro lad.
 
Michael_Vronsky said:
You don't need money, as countless clubs have proved. You need a good management team and a scouting and recruitment structure who know what they're doing.
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Of course you need money. There's the remote chance that you may find a genius who can get Mozart out of a tin whistle. But saying let's just appoint a manager who is really really good isn't really a plan.

Your best bet if you have no money is to go for a pragmatist. Good players cost money, hard working players cost less.
 

Your still not getting it though, I don’t think anyone thinks he doesn’t want best for MFC. I just don’t think
He is now the man to make the football decisions. This needs to change. He has got it wrong to much, we all know he loves the club and we all are grateful for everything he has done. But the man isn't mmune from criticism and he should become a bit more self aware.
 
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Block21 said:
I am glad he has acknowledged some of the awful decisions he’s made in the last 10 - 12 years.
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Actually, he didn’t take ownership of the mistakes. He kept using the word ‘we’. He is doing exactly what a Prime Minister does, hides behind the cloak of collective responsibility. He really is deluded. He will lose an awful lot of ST holders come the summer. Next season will be no 66/67 or 86/87 if we are relegated. Calling him clueless would be underplaying his officially approved statement. He is trying to limit damage and in reality he has added to it. He seems to believe we are going down too. To go back to Southgates tenure tells me he is aware of all the critics on here and other boards and it is also an attempt to put closure on it, a poor one at that.

““I think I am tenacious, stubborn, bloody-minded, determined and resilient, all the traits of a typical Teessider“ No Mr Gibson, they are all the traits of a typical dictator, despot, tyrant, autocrat and megalomanic actually!!
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Of course you need money. There's the remote chance that you may find a genius who can get Mozart out of a tin whistle. But saying let's just appoint a manager who is really really good isn't really a plan.

Your best bet if you have no money is to go for a pragmatist. Good players cost money, hard working players cost less.
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Nah, you really don't. I watched a Norwich team waltz the league a couple of years ago. Pukki cost 600,000 and the others were free transfers and loans.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
Woody got the job because
A) He said he would play attacking football. That's the very clear mandate. High press attacking football. This comes from the fans. From the discontent with the Karanka and Pulis regimes, McLaren even. It's behind the appointment of monk and woody.

B) we have no money.

Let's say we ask Neil Warnock to come in. You've got to keep the team up. You've got to play attractive attacking football. You'll have no money to spend.
Not a chance.

I doubt woody was the only option. But to transform a bunch of cloggers into a high press attacking team, with no money, you're not going to get many high quality options willing to trash their reputations.

Now we've lost a few games point A no longer applies. People will accept us clawing our way out of trouble any which way. Maybes he's convinced that only relegation can end the calls for attacking football for more than half dozen matches.
Rather than pragmatist, romanticist, pragmatist, romanticist we can go pragmatist, pragmatist, pragmatist.
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We haven't just lost a few games though, its a lot more serious than that.
 
The no money argument doesn’t hold up.

Would he have been that much cheaper than Pearson who was willing to go to League One? Why even bother interviewing Jokanovic? His wage demands were public.

We have money to pay the likes of Nmecha’s wages and he’s terrible.

As always with Gibson, it’s about control.

Those managers would want their own backroom teams, and he wouldn’t have as much control as he does other Woodgate.
 
I think I have read the article about 3 or 4 times now and the more I read it. The more I think he’s deluded. I’m very worried for what lies ahead for our football club.
 
Pog said:
The no money argument doesn’t hold up.

Would he have been that much cheaper than Pearson who was willing to go to League One? Why even bother interviewing Jokanovic? His wage demands were public.

We have money to pay the likes of Nmecha’s wages and he’s terrible.

As always with Gibson, it’s about control.

Those managers would want their own backroom teams, and he wouldn’t have as much control as he does other Woodgate.
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We may not even be paying Nmecha's wages. I wouldn't be surprised if he was brought in as part of the deal to sign Roberts, and even if we are contributing towards his wages, he won't be on big wages, and we're probably only paying a certain percentage.

You say it's about Gibson and control, but look at what happened when he pretty much gave Monk free rein to spend the Premier League money. I'm not saying it should now mean Gibson should become a control freak, and not trust managers but can also understand why has opted for caution.
 
I would hope Man city pay us the cost of relegation and the money to get back up for us taking Nmecha.
 
Let’s say it was financial.

Let’s say for argument sake Pearson wanted £10,000 a week more than Woodgate.

£500,000 a year.

Once we shift the big earners in the summer over £10m is going to be released from the wage budget.

Are we saying we couldn’t afford to spend £500k of that on a capable manager?

If we can’t afford that how have we afforded to pay the wages of Nmecha, Makoudi and Roberts?

The money excuse makes Gibson look even more incompetent.
 
Pog said:
Let’s say it was financial.

Let’s say for argument sake Pearson wanted £10,000 a week more than Woodgate.

£500,000 a year.

Once we shift the big earners in the summer over £10m is going to be released from the wage budget.

Are we saying we couldn’t afford to spend £500k of that on a capable manager?

If we can’t afford that how have we afforded to pay the wages of Nmecha, Makoudi and Roberts?

The money excuse makes Gibson look even more incompetent.
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And spent a million quid on a 3rd choice goalkeeper
 
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Pog said:
He appointed him because he wanted a patsy, because they’re cheap, will do as they’re are told and will work with the inner circle of yes men that Gibson surrounds himself with.

He claimed Woodgate was “the outstanding candidate in a robust process which attracted huge interest”.

He’s lying.

We could have had Nigel Pearson, who was willing to step down to League One and manage Sunderland. He was available and affordable.

Woodgate was simply not “the outstanding candidate”, he was by some distance the worst and least qualified.
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Pog is absolutely spot on with that. Gibson's decision to give Woodgate the job was baffling. Loads of people knew it and it's panned out like we dreaded.
 
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