'Jonathan has my total support'

atypical_boro said:
The thing is dood, its ok calling a managerial appointment a disaster and eventually being proven right, but you have to accept that you're never going to get unanimous agreement on it only 3/4 months into the job. Most of us like to give people a fair chance. At that point, there was still time to turn the season round, and after that post, it did actually look like we were starting to.
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I didn't call the Woodgate appointment a disaster though, that post is entirely about my feelings on how Gibson is at fault, which is what many of us have been saying for a long time.
Its not about being right either, it's about being told you know nothing simply because you dare to speak truth to power, that your opinion is wrong because you don't have a season ticket, that you know nothing because you never played the game to a decent standard or that you're simply ungrateful for all the things Gibson has done.
 
Michael_Vronsky said:
There's no point Block. As said above, Gibson has such Messiah like reverence that it really doesn't matter what he does. Corco exemplifies this and a bit more.
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And what have you ever done for the club MV except to go to the game if that is what you do? Gibson is not the Messiah, he's a human being who is from and supports the Boro, but he has been a fantastic owner and chairman in my view and has put his own money and loads of it too where his mouth is.
Of course he can face criticism and negativity and criticism is easy and the answers too when things aren't going well, I just prefer more of a balance. I wonder where we might be without him, one day we will find out, and I will certainly make a donation for a statue in honour of what he has done for the club.

It just amazes me that people seem to know how club works inside out and who makes the decisions and these opinions and beliefs turn into facts on which to berate people who only want the best, I hope they know the lottery numbers too.

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Nero said:
Pog is absolutely spot on with that. Gibson's decision to give Woodgate the job was baffling. Loads of people knew it and it's panned out like we dreaded.
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We could all see he was going to get the gig this time last year. I think most of us predicted the disaster of a season we were going to have too.
 
Michael_Vronsky said:
Nah, you really don't. I watched a Norwich team waltz the league a couple of years ago. Pukki cost 600,000 and the others were free transfers and loans.
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We've a team of defensive minded cloggers. You're not going to turn them into a team of capable of high pressing attacking play with no money and our scouting set up.
What did jokanovic want? 50 million transfer caddy?
 
Corco65 said:
And what have you ever done for the club MV except to go to the game it's that what you do? Gibson is not the Messiah, he's a human being who is from and supports the Boro, but he has been a fantastic owner and chairman in my view and has put his own money and loads of it too where his mouth is.
Of course he can face criticism and negativity and criticism is easy and the answers too when things aren't going well, I just prefer more of a balance. I wonder where we might be without him, one day we will find out, and I will certainly make a donation for a statue in honour of what he has done for the club.

It just amazes me that people seem to know how club works inside out and who makes the decisions and these opinions and beliefs turn into facts on which to berate people who only want the best, I hope they know the lottery numbers too.

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why are you asking what he’s done for the club? Your living in the past corco. It’s not 1995 anymore and we aren’t signing Juninho and we aren’t getting to cup finals and we aren’t getting into Europe.

we are hurtling towards league 1 with a manager 91 of the other Football clubs in England’s owners wouldn’t of touched with a barge pole. We have been lied too a few times and it’s no surprise people are becoming disappointed.
 
Block21 said:
Not sure it was the interview to be taking about getting back to the premier league. Nice for him to communicate with the fans for once so we know where his heads at but there is nothing in that which fills me with any confidence. Looks like Woodgate will take us down.

I am glad he has acknowledged some of the awful decisions he’s made in the last 10 - 12 years.
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That’s all I was calling for so fair play to gibbo for finally speaking out.
 
uncle_rico said:
We could all see he was going to get the gig this time last year. I think most of us predicted the disaster of a season we were going to have too.
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Many of us could, but hardy anyone I spoke to could see the wood for the trees.

They were dreaming of Jokanovic, Wagner, Billic, Allardyce, Warnock, etc.

He was shadowing Pulis for a reason, he was being groomed to take over, which is why binning Pulis midway through last season was never going to make a jot of difference.

An experienced, talented replacement was never going to be employed by Steve Gibson.

It was always Woodgate. The “robust process” was a sham.
 
Block21 said:
why are you asking what he’s done for the club? Your living in the past corco. It’s not 1995 anymore and we aren’t signing Juninho and we aren’t getting to cup finals and we aren’t getting into Europe.

we are hurtling towards league 1 with a manager 91 of the other EFl clubs owners wouldn’t of touched with a barge pole. We have been lied too a few times and it’s no surprise people are becoming disappointed.
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Spot on block21, the spin the lies, the half baked assurances. He treats us all like we are daft. He takes us all for granted. Hiding behind the use of the word ‘we’ tells me he is acting like an arrogant dictator. He is the top dog, he makes all the important calls, has the only absolute veto or approval on recruitment and the ability to act on poor performance in his employees roles. Others will be paid sufficiently to take some of the mud that is thrown. They are all seemingly yes men, puppets, admiring the emperors new clothes. He wont want anyone in a senior position to leave without agreeing on signing a non disclosure clause first I would think too.
 
dooderooni said:
I didn't call the Woodgate appointment a disaster though, that post is entirely about my feelings on how Gibson is at fault, which is what many of us have been saying for a long time.
Its not about being right either, it's about being told you know nothing simply because you dare to speak truth to power, that your opinion is wrong because you don't have a season ticket, that you know nothing because you never played the game to a decent standard or that you're simply ungrateful for all the things Gibson has done.
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Well, fine, but its a place of (hopefully respectful) disagreement. For every poster saying someone knows nothing because they blame Gibson, there's another saying someone knows nothing because they continue to support him. It works both ways.
 
Managers should live in fear of the chop - Gibson gets far too pally and close to his. Woodgate knows his job is safe as houses no matter how poorly he performs


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atypical_boro said:
Well, fine, but its a place of (hopefully respectful) disagreement. For every poster saying someone knows nothing because they blame Gibson, there's another saying someone knows nothing because they continue to support him. It works both ways.
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I understand your point of view atypical, whilst I do respectfully disagree. I do not think the vast majority of us who blame Gibson do accuse others of knowing nothing, more like choosing to ignore what they see, hear and read as they dont believe critical thinking is what supporters should do. All, well most of us do so with reasoning and use evidence over time. Where assumptions are made and we all use assumption at times (but generally it is balanced and reasoned assumption). Some of the anti-criticism brigade on here (not all, clearly) do no more than just spout random words or personal, thinly veiled insults at posters in return, done without offering their own reasoned view or entering into respectful debate in return.
 
Well I`ll enjoy going tonight, really hoping we can get a result, theres not much point in womping on, it may make you feel better to vent I agree but it wont do you any good especially for those that rarely go.

Theres not much you can do about , so dont get yourself wound up over it.

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personally, I m very content with what Steve Gibson has done and with what he will continue to do.

his not blameless or above criticism when things don't go our way or as expected, but his 100% boro, puts his money where his mouth is and continues to ensure that we have professional football in Middlesbrough. Like wise his not a God when we win or have success. like the rest of us his just a 'man' flesh and blood.

He deserves far more respect than many are giving him here.
 
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dooderooni said:
So why did Woodgate say it then? Why did Gibson get defensive when asked about the transfer budget?
It's all just spin.
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Because Woodgate wanted the job.
I don't think it's spin in the slightest that gibbo picks managers to play attacking football immediately after more pragmatic managers. And I think the intent to play attacking football was visible from the off when our previously watertight defence looked as if they'd never met each other before setting foot on the pitch in Kenilworth road.

McLaren - Southgate
Strachan - Mowbray
Karanka - Monk
Pulis - Woody

He needs to stop swinging one way and another. I think that's what he's trying to do. I just think he's swinging the wrong way.
 
ticker_tape said:
Well I`ll enjoy going tonight, really hoping we can get a result, theres not much point in womping on, it may make you feel better to vent I agree but it wont do you any good especially for those that rarely go.

Theres not much you can do about , so dont get yourself wound up over it.

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Most of us will be going tonight looking forward to a good game and hoping we can win, but if it's another abject performance then people will rightly voice their concerns again.
 
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