Billyzin
Well-known member
Kakistocracy is exactly what we have.kakocracy.
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I meant kakistocracy. It's a real word.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakistocracy
Kakistocracy is exactly what we have.kakocracy.
Edit..
I meant kakistocracy. It's a real word.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kakistocracy
FFS, good old Tories, doing what they can to wreck the place even more.237 pharmacists to close
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Lloyds Pharmacy to close all 237 Sainsbury’s outlets
Group says move due to ‘changing market conditions’ as industry warns of insufficient government fundingwww.theguardian.com
It's mad how they keep finding new floors to break through.It wouldn't be a surprise to see the polls widening after zahawi tax dodging, Johnson scrounging the home office culpable in child trafficking and Johnson and/or sunak allowing Russians who were apparently sanctioned to bypass those sanctions.
Yeah I think that's what one of the main problems has been, loads of Tory's voted Tory and loads of LEavers voted Tory, so the result of that was 365 seats and them thinking they could do what they liked, and the far right driving the ship. No wonder it's ended up in probably the biggest cluster **** I've ever known since being able to vote.If the party fractures it will be a generation before the conservatives get voted in again. The Erg have, effectively destroyed the party. I don't care for the conservatives policies but with fptp you really need a realistic opposition otherwise the party in power can do what it likes.
I am not sure what sunaks game is here. Just to say he was pm I suppose. I can't see how they can be turned around whilst they are beholden to the erg.
I think he‘s trapped. They didn’t want him, they voted for Truss and the IMF no doubt told the 1922 that she had to go straight away.Yeah I think that's what one of the main problems has been, loads of Tory's voted Tory and loads of LEavers voted Tory, so the result of that was 365 seats and them thinking they could do what they liked, and the far right driving the ship. No wonder it's ended up in probably the biggest cluster **** I've ever known since being able to vote.
Sunak knows he's beat, so is just trying to bluff his way through the hand and hope he hits gold somehow later down the line, but it's unlikely. He'll gradually distance himself from those who have helped create this mess, probably more so after 2025 if he can stay as Tory leader. It will be easier for him then too, as most of them will lose their seats, or face a challenge. Sunak's not as bad as the rest of them, but that's not praise, it just means he's less bad, and he's nothing like the common man, or 99.9% of voters. Wouldn't be surprised if he does a few things which will make Labour's job harder for the next term, his eyes will probably be on 2030, but they'll probably kick him out by then.
He could end up being Tory leader for the biggest kicking they've every had, and having that happen to him as PM, crazy. 95% of that damage is caused by those around him and those preceding him I think, but he seemingly didn't do much to stop it either.
Yeah, for sure, he's 100% trapped, all of the Tories are in a way, and it's an unwinnable hand from here, they're in the deepest of holes, which they collectively dug in an unsafe manner.I think he‘s trapped. They didn’t want him, they voted for Truss and the IMF no doubt told the 1922 that she had to go straight away.
No sympathy for Rishi though half the problems are his own from the lockdown cash splash.
Well my preferred solution would be to bin off FPTP.If the party fractures it will be a generation before the conservatives get voted in again. The Erg have, effectively destroyed the party. I don't care for the conservatives policies but with fptp you really need a realistic opposition otherwise the party in power can do what it likes.
I am not sure what sunaks game is here. Just to say he was pm I suppose. I can't see how they can be turned around whilst they are beholden to the erg.
The lib dems have traditionally shared the Labour center ground I think. We may not like center right politics but it is a valid political ideology that many favour.Well my preferred solution would be to bin off FPTP.
But failing that, agree you need a realistic opposition but there's nothing "realistic" about the Tories in their current form (I know it's not how you meant it).
Wouldn't be the worst thing in the world to see the Tories in their current guise utterly destroyed as long as what replaces them is more grown up and competent.
A party that would give us proper grown up debate in our politics as opposed to the pathetic playground stuff we have to tolerate most of the time now.
Lib Dems maybe not to the right enough to plug the gap? Would like to see them as a strong opposition but probably won't be able to pick up enough non labour voters.
They really are dead in the water. How do the advisors of Sunak think defending a multi millionaire tax avoider shores up votes. Or a serial bully who everyone thinks is a dimwit at best anyway?Intersting chat on Peston last night with John Curtice, the polling expert.
As the Tories have burnt pretty much everyone in Parliament they would be unable to form a minority Government with anyone so effectively they need to add about 8 points on to their vote share on top of drawing level with Labour to form a Government - so even with a 20 point deficit they really need 30 to win.
Labour on the other hand could gain power with a poll loss.
It's really bad news for the Tories.
They have no decency. They will cling on until Jsnuary 2025. Enough time for many of them to continue lining their pickets and go off to their shire manor houses in political retirement with pockets of money.If they had a shred of decency or even dignity they'd call a general election and end this debacle.
They've lost control and it's clear as day they have no idea how to fix any of the problems, most of their own making.
It's also increasingly obvious a significant majority of the electorate want them gone too.
Sunak can't govern, he's weak and his party is splintered. He's not really in charge, he's just a figurehead for the sham government. Even if he had any original thoughts (he doesn't) he'd never be able to implement them because he'd never be able to get enough of his MPs to agree. A worrying number seem to think they're actually in UKIP (or worse).
Most ministers seem to be just leaning into the fact were pretty much just a Kleptocracy now.