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SmallTown said:
Well said. Whatever you feel idealogically you must know, deep down, that undermining labour can only help the Tories. In our current system it'll always be the case
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The problem this country has as does America, when you are an effectively a two party system no party we’ll ever truly represent you. You have to compromise

I want everything nationalised. My view is that water gas and elec should be ran for the public in the public’s interest.

I ain’t getting that at the next election, but it still a simple vote for me to vote Labour. My mam when she was alive relied on state benefits, my in laws rely on state benefits, family members have needed them in the past. These people are the some of. The most vulnerable in the U.K. Labour is the best chance of their vulnerability not being preyed on.

As we know tory policies kill those people when, that is even worse during a cost of living crisis and the eradication of the nhs.

Why wouldn’t you hold your nose to effectively save lives over a 5 years period

Politics in this country will always be about compromise, once you accept that, the choice should be an easy one
 
ForssAwakens said:
The problem this country has as does America, when you are an effectively a two party system no party we’ll ever truly represent you. You have to compromise

I want everything nationalised. My view is that water gas and elec should be ran for the public in the public’s interest.

I ain’t getting that at the next election, but it still a simple vote for me to vote Labour. My mam when she was alive relied on state benefits, my in laws rely on state benefits, family members have needed them in the past. These people are the some of. The most vulnerable in the U.K. Labour is the best chance of their vulnerability not being preyed on.

As we know tory policies kill those people when, that is even worse during a cost of living crisis and the eradication of the nhs.

Why wouldn’t you hold your nose to effectively save lives over a 5 years period

Politics in this country will always be about compromise, once you accept that, the choice should be an easy one
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And of course it doesn't mean you can't campaign or argue for the changes you want to see.

Unfortunately, because of our ridiculous system it's just that the ballot box is a a pointless place to do that. You're picking the least worst option or the option that's not as far away from your politics as the others. And that has a chance of winning.

There are plenty in the labour party pushing for more radical change. But even if they get the party leadership to agree those changes they're utterly pointless if they're not in power.
 
SuperStu said:
Seems obvious Starmer should offer an olive branch to the left in that case. Time for some triangulation.



Would be interested to know what that's based on?
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‘’A report by the respected Institute for Fiscal Studies showed the distributional impact of the tax and benefit changes under that last Labour government. The poorest 10% of households gained by something like 13% in their incomes, whilst the richest 10% lost by almost 9%.”

fullfact.org

Labour's record on inequality and social mobility: 1997 to 2010 - Full Fact

In a video on Labour's inequality record Tony Blair lists statistics on topics from the NHS to poverty. The figures are all broadly correct, but also don't include overall income inequality.
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Last time Labour in power, which according some was a right leaning at the time.
 
ForssAwakens said:
‘’A report by the respected Institute for Fiscal Studies showed the distributional impact of the tax and benefit changes under that last Labour government. The poorest 10% of households gained by something like 13% in their incomes, whilst the richest 10% lost by almost 9%.”

fullfact.org

Labour's record on inequality and social mobility: 1997 to 2010 - Full Fact

In a video on Labour's inequality record Tony Blair lists statistics on topics from the NHS to poverty. The figures are all broadly correct, but also don't include overall income inequality.
fullfact.org fullfact.org

Last time Labour in power, which according some was a right leaning at the time.
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I wasnt a fan of Blair as he was weak on Iraq but his economic policies were left off center and every graph on public spending shows this.
 
ForssAwakens said:
The problem this country has as does America, when you are an effectively a two party system no party we’ll ever truly represent you. You have to compromise

I want everything nationalised. My view is that water gas and elec should be ran for the public in the public’s interest.

I ain’t getting that at the next election, but it still a simple vote for me to vote Labour. My mam when she was alive relied on state benefits, my in laws rely on state benefits, family members have needed them in the past. These people are the some of. The most vulnerable in the U.K. Labour is the best chance of their vulnerability not being preyed on.

As we know tory policies kill those people when, that is even worse during a cost of living crisis and the eradication of the nhs.

Why wouldn’t you hold your nose to effectively save lives over a 5 years period

Politics in this country will always be about compromise, once you accept that, the choice should be an easy one
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I won’t hesitate to vote Labour this time (unless the Lib Dem’s represent a better chance of ousting my local Tory MP.)

But it saddens me that I’ll be doing that despite Starmer, rather than because of him and any vision he’s selling.
Still don’t know what he’s really all about but I maintain a tiny glimmer of hope that once in power he will no longer need to try and play it safe and sit on the fence to avoid giving the right wing media any ammo, and he’ll better represent the interests of the majority, the most vulnerable and the working classes.

Maybe it’s just naive wishful thinking on my part though, given his recent track record and actions (or rather lack of). For example, the lack of clarity of support for striking workers is undermining union efforts in my opinion, and in doing so, obviously hurting the working class people he supposedly represents.

But it’s still a no brainer to vote Labour. Anything to get these b***ds who are destroying our country out.
 
Surely the way the country is going those who consider Starmer too centrist have got to hold their nose and vote Labour?
We have to have a change of government in 2 years' time (we need it now, but they have a majority - and will hold on until the last minute)
 
ThatFragranceGuy said:
Surely that's 6% that would have voted conservatives before because muh brexit, who now think the cons aren't Brexit enough?
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Absolutely not. I've chatted to a number of former Labour voters that I've known for years who are big fans of them.

They've been bitten by the nationalist/racist bug and immigration is now their single issue, together with 'Islam problem'.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
Absolutely not. I've chatted to a number of former Labour voters that I've known for years who are big fans of them.

They've been bitten by the nationalist/racist bug and immigration is now their single issue, together with 'Islam problem'.
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‘Former’ Labour voters though. People with those attitudes wouldn’t be going back to vote Labour, it’s a straight choice between Tories or Reform.

However you look at it, this represents a split of the right wing vote which, under our current voting system (God I hope we change it soon), would lead to a collapse in the number of Tory MPs. The main problem is that we’re probably at least 18 months away from a general election and a big chunk of those voters will scuttle back to the Tories when it really matters.
 
ForssAwakens said:
There’s only one reason Labour won’t win the next election, and that’ll be in the left of the party refusing to hold thier nose to vote Labour

I’m not saying it’s like this but this is how the left should view

5 more years of pure misery, laws being ripped up, wealth being further distributed to the 1%, our right being taken away
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We knew we'd have 5 years of pure misery under Johnson but people who are now bitching about the left voted for him anyway to prevent a fairly moderate socialist programme.

Laughing said:
I wasnt a fan of Blair as he was weak on Iraq but his economic policies were left off center and every graph on public spending shows this.
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PFI is definitely not left-of-centre. It was pointed out at the time. Foresight is a wonderful thing...

FabioPorkpie said:
But it saddens me that I’ll be doing that despite Starmer, rather than because of him and any vision he’s selling.
Still don’t know what he’s really all about...
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He made an MP apologise for directly quoting Amnesty. I don't want any of what he's selling.



Labour have made their choice. They now need to get enough disillusioned One Nation Tories on board to win and they can do whatever they want. Power for the sake of power.
 
Scrote said:
We knew we'd have 5 years of pure misery under Johnson but people who are now bitching about the left voted for him anyway to prevent a fairly moderate socialist programme.
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Losing 2017 and 2019 was the lefts fault cause they were in charge. If Labour lose the next one, that'll be the lefts fault for not supporting the Labour right's Osbournomics programme.

2015? You guessed it. The lefts fault. Ed rhymes with red so it's obvious.

2010? The lefts fault. Brown was a trot or something.
 
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Scrote said:
PFI is definitely not left-of-centre. It was pointed out at the time. Foresight is a wonderful thing...
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that's one example, but the majority of his policy was soft left, while still allowing economic growth. Economically and as a whole, Blairite policies are the best we've had in my lifetime.
 
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