Would you have VAR in the championship

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
I'd rather have a few more controversies and be able to enjoy us scoring goals.
To be perfectly honest id rather see us lose every game to dodgy refereeing decisions, and get relegated than have VAR.
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you're gonna have to take up golf then, because one way or another we'll be under the governance of VAR within 3 years at most
 
its a No from me, you dont need VAR to know that the fouls on Jonah at Stoke and on Zack at QPR were fouls.

the refs both made judgement calls (the ref at qpr told wilder the keeper should have been stronger & he been given a directive - a directive no one appears to be able to find!!) - however, having played on and allowed their decisions to stand - they were Judgement Calls not Clear and Obvious Errors - VAR isnt there to referee the game.

from my observations i think VAR has made the game, match and spectacle worse - id advocate that its been an expensive failed experiment and its time to return to having a ref, 2 linos and a 4th official - all of whom must be accountable,

i would also like to see the introduction of a time judge to ensure that fans get the full 90mins of a football match as advertised and for what they have paid absolute top dollar to see - this is not happening at the moment in any match that i attend or watch - from non league right through to internationals
 
Jedi boro said:
I’ve said it before on here but personally I’d have VAR in tomorrow as we as a club would benefit massively from it.

Look at yesterday the ref apologised look at THE steffen foul/push the other week both ruled out through VAR.

There’s 2 wins possibly right there for us.
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Me too.
VAR is not the problem - it's how it's being implemented at times.
Took them half a season to even ask a ref to look at the monitor on the half way line for example
 
TeessideCleveland said:
Me too.
VAR is not the problem - it's how it's being implemented at times.
Took them half a season to even ask a ref to look at the monitor on the half way line for example
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It really is the problem as it stops goal celebrations. Any implementation even if it worked brilliantly is going to fundamentally affect the way many people enjoy live games because of this.

Making the ref wander over to the monitor seems utterly pointless to me and causes even more delays. Baffles me why they do it. Probably just media pressure. What does it add? Why is it better than just having the bloke sat watching it on Tele making the call.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
It really is the problem as it stops goal celebrations. Any implementation even if it worked brilliantly is going to fundamentally affect the way many people enjoy live games because of this.

Making the ref wander over to the monitor seems utterly pointless to me and causes even more delays. Baffles me why they do it. Probably just media pressure. What does it add? Why is it better than just having the bloke sat watching it on Tele making the call.
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This. It's bad enough on TV. The thought of putting up with it at the ground turns me cold.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
It really is the problem as it stops goal celebrations. Any implementation even if it worked brilliantly is going to fundamentally affect the way many people enjoy live games because of this.

Making the ref wander over to the monitor seems utterly pointless to me and causes even more delays. Baffles me why they do it. Probably just media pressure. What does it add? Why is it better than just having the bloke sat watching it on Tele making the call.
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It doesn't stop goal celebrations. Sometimes you celebrate and it gets overturned, sometimes you get to celebrate twice, sometimes you get to celebrate because the opposition has had one ruled out. I've celebrated loads of goals that haven't stood for whatever reason. We have played in matches with VAR. Goals were scored, people celebrated. It isn't noticeable that it is even being used in most situations.

Primarily though, football isn't entertainment, it is a sport. The purpose of sport is to find out the winner so the outcome is more important than the spectacle. Entertainment is a byproduct of sport, not the other way round. If it was supposed to be entertainment first then we never would have appointed Tony Pulis.
 
Nano said:
It doesn't stop goal celebrations. Sometimes you celebrate and it gets overturned, sometimes you get to celebrate twice, sometimes you get to celebrate because the opposition has had one ruled out. I've celebrated loads of goals that haven't stood for whatever reason. We have played in matches with VAR. Goals were scored, people celebrated. It isn't noticeable that it is even being used in most situations.

Primarily though, football isn't entertainment, it is a sport. The purpose of sport is to find out the winner so the outcome is more important than the spectacle. Entertainment is a byproduct of sport, not the other way round. If it was supposed to be entertainment first then we never would have appointed Tony Pulis.
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Fine. Then noone will complain when people stop going because there's no entertainment. That's my plan for when it happens.
 
Nano said:
It doesn't stop goal celebrations. Sometimes you celebrate and it gets overturned, sometimes you get to celebrate twice, sometimes you get to celebrate because the opposition has had one ruled out. I've celebrated loads of goals that haven't stood for whatever reason. We have played in matches with VAR. Goals were scored, people celebrated. It isn't noticeable that it is even being used in most situations.

Primarily though, football isn't entertainment, it is a sport. The purpose of sport is to find out the winner so the outcome is more important than the spectacle. Entertainment is a byproduct of sport, not the other way round. If it was supposed to be entertainment first then we never would have appointed Tony Pulis.
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It might not for you. It does for me.

2nd point. No sorry. Football is entertainment. Otherwise people wouldn't watch it.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
It might not for you. It does for me.

2nd point. No sorry. Football is entertainment. Otherwise people wouldn't watch it.
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That's on you. There were 43 disallowed goals by VAR in the PL last season (in 380 matches). 1071 goals so if you had celebrated them all you'd have had one ruled out 3.86% of the time. Would you really not celebrate 100% of the goals because you are thinking about the 4% that might be disallowed instead of the 96% that stand?

Football is entertainment in the sense that you are watching it to find out who the best is. There is a reason that things like friendlies, early League Cup rounds etc don't have the same level of interest and that is because nothing is at stake.
NYboro said:
Fine. Then noone will complain when people stop going because there's no entertainment. That's my plan for when it happens.
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I think more people have a problem with unfair outcomes than celebrating incorrectly 4% of goals.
 
TeessideCleveland said:
Me too.
VAR is not the problem - it's how it's being implemented at times.
Took them half a season to even ask a ref to look at the monitor on the half way line for example
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Agreed. Change takes time to mature. I think the offside decisions are quicker, and all decisions will speed up. In fact I think give it 5 years and offside will be buzzed to the ref in near real time.
 
Nano said:
That's on you. There were 43 disallowed goals by VAR in the PL last season (in 380 matches). 1071 goals so if you had celebrated them all you'd have had one ruled out 3.86% of the time. Would you really not celebrate 100% of the goals because you are thinking about the 4% that might be disallowed instead of the 96% that stand?

Football is entertainment in the sense that you are watching it to find out who the best is. There is a reason that things like friendlies, early League Cup rounds etc don't have the same level of interest and that is because nothing is at stake.

I think more people have a problem with unfair outcomes than celebrating incorrectly 4% of goals.
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You're missing the point. It's the tedious delay while someone miles away looks at lines on a TV screen. It's only there for the TV audience. As far as I'm concerned TV can have it and I'll stop watching altogether.
 
Complete rubbish that decisions even out tbh.

I'd like VAR just to give our players a bit of protection. I still feel embittered about Fry getting his head booted clean off a couple of seasons ago and the ref doing f*ck all.

Eventually a player hacking Jones down from behind as Stoke did the other night will injure him. What will that do for our entertainment?

The folk fretting about the game being slowed down for a second or two now and then... would you get rid of linos and refs then? Ditch the offside rules? The balls already out of play for something absurd like a quarter of each match. If you want your entertainment speeding up I'd start with the constant gamesmanship from any team a goal up.
 
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