Would you have VAR in the championship

If I hadn't seen repeated VAR errors recently, I'd say yes, absolutely, but I think I'd just find it more frustrating with the delays and still rampant human error.

Stoke's opener shouldn't have stood, the referee admitted as much, but at least he has the excuse of only seeing it once.

Cucurella had his hair ripped out of his head by an attacker the other day, VAR looked at it and somehow deemed it fine.

The fact they can watch incidents repeatedly and still get it wrong would infuriate me.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Because people are looking for perfection where it isn’t possible for it to exist. They have VAR in the Premier League I think? Though you’d never guess if you listened to the debate after the Chelsea - Spurs game as apparently both Spurs’ goals should’ve been ruled out. So what’s the point of VAR.

Crack on with the game and stop moaning.
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Some may be looking for perfection, but I'm not.

Getting 90% of big chances/ tough decisions correct is better than the 50% a Ref can do. It still doesn't make it fair or perfect, but it certainly makes it fairer.
 
Well another angle is what Souness and the like were championing on Sunday. “Letting it flow,” etc. You mean, not blowing for fouls. Like Welbeck being pushed over in the box at Old Trafford. A foul is a foul.

They spent years pleading for VAR because of clarity and consistency, now they want referees to not blow up for fouls and allow more physicality. You can’t have it both ways.

People need to stop listening to the contradictory and reactionary nonsense that comes out of a lot of these ex-players’ mouths.
 
I’d like to see a ref have to justify not giving Jones a pen every week or like last night ignoring a blatant foul.

I don’t care about football anymore I’m sick of the boro getting jipped week after week.

We as a club would gain massively.
 
Jedi boro said:
Ha ha are you serious

Jones doesn’t get fouled for one
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Where’s the bias?

The referee didn’t see the foul at the time. He apologised. We move on. Maybe if Jones wasn’t such a perennial diver there wouldn’t be a debate around some of the stuff that happens to him?
 
Andy_W said:
Some may be looking for perfection, but I'm not.

Getting 90% of big chances/ tough decisions correct is better than the 50% a Ref can do. It still doesn't make it fair or perfect, but it certainly makes it fairer.
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Is it 50%? That sounds like an exaggeration.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
Well another angle is what Souness and the like were championing on Sunday. “Letting it flow,” etc. You mean, not blowing for fouls. Like Welbeck being pushed over in the box at Old Trafford. A foul is a foul.

They spent years pleading for VAR because of clarity and consistency, now they want referees to not blow up for fouls and allow more physicality. You can’t have it both ways.

People need to stop listening to the contradictory and reactionary nonsense that comes out of a lot of these ex-players’ mouths.
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He wants the game to be more physical. Contact doesn't equal foul.

We had a few games with VAR last season. There was no controversy, it was barely noticed. what it does is gives the referees another look at the big decisions that the on-field ref misses. Those refs can still be bad referees and come to the wrong conclusion but it is less likely that they get it wrong. It isn't perfect but it's much closer to perfect than not having it. It's difficult to quantify how many decisions it gets right wen watching because you don't even question them, you only look for the wrongs that may have been called incorrectly.

The stats for referee vs VAR is something like 92% accurate vs 99% accurate. The really big decisions are the important ones though and getting them wrong even once can change the outcome of the game significantly so anything that reduces that to close to 0% chance is good for me.
 
No.
There seems to still be as much debate in the Prem about incorrect VAR decisions as there was about incorrect Ref decisions.
Mind you, I’m biased given I absolutely hate VAR with a passion.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
VAR was supposed to end the controversy. It hasn’t. It never will. I went to watch Dumbarton on Saturday. No VAR. Never even thought about it. It’s purely a TV thing.

Just get on with the game and stop moaning about the ref.
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Ok that’s your opinion

But there can be little doubt that var would benefit the boro more than most. As twice this season in 2 games have refs directly changed our results.

That not even debate as apologising for an error shows that.
 
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Jedi boro said:
Ok that’s your opinion

But there can be little doubt that var would benefit the boro more than most. As twice this season in 2 games have refs directly changed our results.

That not even debate as apoogisibgbfor an error shows that.
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Well you don’t know what would’ve happened as the games would have been entirely different if goals had been ruled out or decisions overturned. So if Jones had got his free kick last night then we may have won 4-0 or 5-2, or lost 2-1.

You can’t just take a goal off the end result and pretend that’s how it would’ve finished if it wasn’t for the referee.
 
Hate VAR, slow game down whenever used,

From what I have seen so far, Mitovich dived V Liverpool , took ages to review, never seen one angle that gave a Peña in my opinion yet still given.

Crueller thing - blatant foul and red card.

Spuds first goal , player is clearly blocked keepers view , and therefore offside.

Disallowed goal in Villa v Everton - looked off side from first view but still took an age. If clear and obvious then why does it take so long, and down to mm.

This also annoys me because they always use two coloured lines that don’t reflect kits teams playing in so would be easier to understand.

Also at what point is the ball adjudged to have moved forward? And you can even see in a lot of cases if the pic you are looking at was when ball was kicked.

So a no from me and get rid of it from all football. You will never have 100%, a lot of decisions are subjective in football. I.e tussle between forward/defender, fouls very rarely get 100% all in same view.

This was evident in the Darwin headbutt thread, where not everyone agreed it was a red.

Why make the game worse
 
I think that I would put the Hawkeye technology in every league ground and remove VAR.

Everyone gets it or no-one gets it, as I refuse to believe that a mid-table PL game needs more rigorous refereeing than a team fighting to stay in league football, and the financial ruin which that could invite if they went down after a couple of decisions went against them.
 
viv_andersons_nana said:
VAR was supposed to end the controversy. It hasn’t. It never will. I went to watch Dumbarton on Saturday. No VAR. Never even thought about it. It’s purely a TV thing.
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Exactly. It's there for people who don't actually go to games. They can, quite frankly, errm .... get knotted.
 
I'd rather we just had competent officials but that just seems impossible at the moment. I mean who the foul on Jones isn't given is just ridiculous, the ref may have missed but what about his assistant?

The only plausible explanation I can think of is if the ref has missed the foul (I mean how he missed it in the first place beggars belief), the ref sees Jones on the floor, assumes he has dived (perhaps an unconscious bias because of the reputation Jones has) because he was caught in possession so the ref waves play on, the assistant isn't to sure about what has happened so rather than over-rule the ref goes along with his decision.
 
Capybara said:
Exactly. It's there for people who don't actually go to games. They can, quite frankly, errm .... get knotted.
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Nonsense. It's about getting the fairest result. Just because you didn't notice something in the ground it doesn't mean everybody else didn't. I'm sure Wilder and the team would've preferred that to be disallowed last night.

I just don't understand how anyone can watch championship referees every week and think "this is good enough". Almost every single game there is a major decision called incorrectly.

VAR was never supposed to end controversy, it is supposed to reduce it. We have linesmen so the referee doesn't have to call offside themselves, we have 4th officials etc. Goalline tech. All tools to help the referee make the correct decision.
 
Nano said:
I just don't understand how anyone can watch championship referees every week and think "this is good enough". Almost every single game there is a major decision called incorrectly.
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Exactly.

All championship refs are poor that’s why they are in the championship otherwise the prem would take them so we have those not good enough for the prem or worse the ones the prem has cast out.

A perfect storm of mediocrity
 
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