Would you have VAR in the championship

changingman said:
100% yes - far too much money riding on decisions not to have it.

Should be as widely deployed as possible in my view. Is it a cast-iron guarantee that every decision will be 100% accurate - no. Does it massively increase the % of decisions which are - yes.
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I'd be inclined not only to stop going, but to stop watching altogether - it ruins the immediacy.
 
NYboro said:
I'd be inclined not only to stop going, but to stop watching altogether - it ruins the immediacy.
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I completely agree (and say this as someone who rarely goes to be fair). I'm fairly confident it will be a while before it's implemented at steps 9 or 10 which is where I normally find myself these days!

The issue, as ever, is greed and commercialisation of the sport. VAR is a natural consequence of the billions swilling around the game, and whilst I don't agree with that level of commercialisation, it does feel like an unfair advantage for leagues that do have it (given the sums to play for the Championship are still pretty astronomical).
 
Capybara said:
I went to a game in the Combined Counties Premier South last night. The referee tried hard but made quite a few mistakes as you'd expect in Division 9. So, should there be VAR in the Combined Counties Premier South?
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Are you saying that everyone is happy with incorrect decisions and wouldn't prefer if that could be improved? VAR costs a lot of money so it isn't economically viable for that division. If it was cheap then yes, it would probably be used.

I have played in games where the referee is on his own without linesmen because it isn't economically viable to pay for a ref and assistants. Doesn't mean we should be doing the same in the championship.

The championship is the 6th richest league in the world so can easily afford it. There is too much at stake financially to not have it for financial reasons.
 
Capybara said:
Well we wouldn't would we? For starters if any of those decisions had gone the other way then the games would have developed in a completely different way. And how many 'checking for a possible ....' would there be which may or may not have gone to our advantage? And that's before even looking at 'injustices' perceived by the other clubs we have played so far this season.
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OK, but goals change games, and there is a strong likelihood we would be 4 points better off
 
Capybara said:
I thought it was supposed to be about fairness, not status.
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In an ideal world yes, but pragmatism means you can't do VAR in lower league or even parks football. Where is there a cost benefit ratio that makes it feasible? Probably the top 2 leagues.
 
BoroMart said:
err, that would have made it still 1-0 to us at that time, and we may well have gone on and scored more, as per Capys comment about the whole flow of the game would be different. Even if it didn't, it would then be 1-1 and extra time, so who knows.
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We might have already won a trophy 7 years earlier when Festa's goal was incorrectly disallowed. Although, potentially we'd have had to have overcome a bigger deficit in the semi final against Chesterfield so we might not have been there but then again, pretty sure their penalty was a dive so might not have been given.

Maybe Viduka would've been awarded a penalty in the UEFA Cup final as well.

I'm not interested in re-writing history though. I want the correct decisions to be made now.
 
BoroMart said:
err, that would have made it still 1-0 to us at that time, and we may well have gone on and scored more, as per Capys comment about the whole flow of the game would be different. Even if it didn't, it would then be 1-1 and extra time, so who knows.
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You know what the point I'm making is. We benefit from decisions as much as we are disadvantaged by them.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
You know what the point I'm making is. We benefit from decisions as much as we are disadvantaged by them.
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That isn't a point I agree with, there is no quantification that supports that and of course a bad decision when you are winning 4-0 doesn't have the impact of a bad decision at 0-0. Some clubs tend to get more bad decisions than others. I'd argue being a bigger club at this level, we tend on the whole to get a decent rub of the green, but when we're in the prem as a smaller prem club we don't. Ultimately the cost of the bad prem decisions is far more to us.
 
Ok Let’s GET one thing clear here No one wants or likes VAR including me that’s not the issue here.

The issue is that the officiating in this league is sub standard and would a system that is in use in a higher division that would clearly benefit us be used.

That’s the issue improve refs and scrap VAR but until then I’ll take any advantage we can.
 
BoroMart said:
That isn't a point I agree with, there is no quantification that supports that and of course a bad decision when you are winning 4-0 doesn't have the impact of a bad decision at 0-0. Some clubs tend to get more bad decisions than others.
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I see no data to support an alternative view either. We have just got two views supported by made up numbers. Take your pick.

In terms of statistics if you believe, as you should, that errors are (over time) distributed evenly between favouring and disfavouring all clubs equally then there is no point in VAR. It alters the game. I guess if you are sat at home watching your 60in 8k Whizzotel then you can tolerate the pundits salivating over multiple replays and computer generated red and blue lines however if you are sat in the stadium watching a blank screen (if you can see it at all) waiting to receive a decision made by a referee a couple of hundred miles away then it is a useless irritating interruption to your entertainment.

VAR is a sop to the pressure of TV pundits who take great pleasure in proving their worth by spotting mistakes that are only noticeable from ultra slow motion replays from multiple angles. It is a nonsense, a depressing validation of the view that being "right" is more important than entertainment.

Ban it, burn it, erase it from existence.
 
There is as many have said on here, quite incredible bias in football, it is quite staggering at times.
It doesn’t come from refs though, but deluded fans, who think that their team, and only their team are the victims of it.
VAR for me is the worst thing to happen to football as a spectator sport in its entire history.
 
Andy_W said:
It gets a lot more right than it gets wrong
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Proof? From my reckoning it gets as much wrong as was wrong before. The stats mentioned elsewhere on the thread only pertain to circumstances where VAR was used. I've seen plenty of incidents where 'big' decisions have been gotten wrong but VAR hasn't been used to correct them. They aren't included in the stats.

BoroMart said:
perfect is the enemy of good, VAR makes good decisions not perfect ones.
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Diego said:
I would rather come the correct decision in each game.
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They don't come to the correct decisions though. The fact we're still talking about controversies in the Premier League is all the proof you need.

Canyoudigit said:
Certainly in the professional game when livelihoods are at stake
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changingman said:
100% yes - far too much money riding on decisions not to have it.
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Nano said:
There is too much at stake financially to not have it for financial reasons.
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Then limit the amount of money swilling around. One of the reasons the Women's game isn't blighted by the histrionics of the Men's is that there's less money at stake. The games are still competitive.

Andy_W said:
Getting 90% of big chances/ tough decisions correct is better than the 50% a Ref can do.
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"Something like" 99% vs 92% according to the stats someone else posted and as I've pointed out above they aren't comparing apples with apples. It's not even apples with oranges. More like apples with bricks.

Are there even 100 potential howlers per season? Are you happy to sacrifice every goal celebration to the altar of VAR just to get 7 decisions changed? Really..?

The fact they don't use VAR to check foul-throws, encroachment etc. All black & white decisions that wouldn't take more than a few seconds to alert the ref makes it all the more pointless. If you're going to annoy fans then at least do it consistently.

And VAR isn't even consistent with itself. Mike Dean was able to make a decision in the Chelsea v Spurs game. He wasn't the referee. Why should his decision stand?

Either every 'incident' is referred back to the ref to go have a look on his monitor or you get rid of it because it's an abomination.





The_Big_Woodowski said:
Also at what point is the ball adjudged to have moved forward?
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The first point of contact for the pass.
 
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Suppose that makes sense to be fair. I though as ball moved forward, but we are in to semantics now but if you go down to mm for offside then to be consistent and fair then the frame of kicking ball should be analysed as much.

Also if it’s a 50 yard ball then both players not in the same shot. Just don’t trust it
 
I don't mind VAR if I'm watching a live game, like the Euros, as a neutral (I don't watch TV unless it's on in a pub I'm in). It provides an additional element of drama. I don't want it for Boro games though as I want to celebrate our goals after no more than a quick glance at the relevant linesman.
 
Scrote said:
They don't come to the correct decisions though. The fact we're still talking about controversies in the Premier League is all the proof you need.
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Not as many controversies though, and not as blatant certainly with offsides, that's the point
 
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