Would you have VAR in the championship

We have had quite a few red cards against us recently that were overturned on appeal. VAR would have meant we would have not had to play those games with 10 men.
The worst thing about VAR is the delay while they decide very marginal decisions. In my view it should only be used for overturning clear errors by the officials and would therefore not lead to long delays.
If this is VAR - lite then ……Yes Please!
 
A bit of machine learning could give a much better set of results than a human ref, it's the future.
 
Be careful what you wish for 😬

Not sure I can be arsed with the waiting around. Refereeing is nowhere near good enough - not sure they’d all of a sudden be better with VAR.

Premier league has shown us that imo
 
NYboro said:
You're missing the point. It's the tedious delay while someone miles away looks at lines on a TV screen. It's only there for the TV audience. As far as I'm concerned TV can have it and I'll stop watching altogether.
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I think you'll find that the players, managers and clubs would prefer that the team that deserves to win fairly does so. It's not just the TV audience that want the correct result. There is an occasional long delay but on average VAR adds very little extra time to a game and takes far less time than some of the other things that slow the game down as previously mentioned.

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Nano said:
I think you'll find that the players, managers and clubs would prefer that the team that deserves to win fairly does so. It's not just the TV audience that want the correct result. There is an occasional long delay but on average VAR adds very little extra time to a game and takes far less time than some of the other things that slow the game down as previously mentioned.

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Oh, the cheats and those that encourage cheating?

The players and manages are actually the problem. Stop the cheating and the ref will have an easier time.

It was when Bob Wilson was leading BBC football that all of the pressure was shifted from the cheats to those failing to catch them.

We already have, and have had for decades, enough technology to stamp it out. We haven't done it, we're still not doing it.
 
Nano said:
That's on you. There were 43 disallowed goals by VAR in the PL last season (in 380 matches). 1071 goals so if you had celebrated them all you'd have had one ruled out 3.86% of the time. Would you really not celebrate 100% of the goals because you are thinking about the 4% that might be disallowed instead of the 96% that stand?

Football is entertainment in the sense that you are watching it to find out who the best is. There is a reason that things like friendlies, early League Cup rounds etc don't have the same level of interest and that is because nothing is at stake.

I think more people have a problem with unfair outcomes than celebrating incorrectly 4% of goals.
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The number of goals disallowed by VAR is irrelevant. It's the number of times VAR is used that is the problem.

Crooks goal Vs man utd. Well that'll be chalked off because of handball. Waiting. Waiting. Think I'll make a cup of tea. Oh hang on. It's been allowed. Erm.... Yay?

I mean people are different. Some people go to a gig and spend the whole time watching it through their phone. Just because VAR does not affect your enjoyment doesn't invalidate the experience of others. And it's not just down to me. There are loads of fans who hate VAR. not just a a minor irritant, like diving or a wrongly given goal. But as something that massively takes away from their experience of the game.
 
SuperStu said:
Complete rubbish that decisions even out tbh.

I'd like VAR just to give our players a bit of protection. I still feel embittered about Fry getting his head booted clean off a couple of seasons ago and the ref doing f*ck all.

Eventually a player hacking Jones down from behind as Stoke did the other night will injure him. What will that do for our entertainment?

The folk fretting about the game being slowed down for a second or two now and then... would you get rid of linos and refs then? Ditch the offside rules? The balls already out of play for something absurd like a quarter of each match. If you want your entertainment speeding up I'd start with the constant gamesmanship from any team a goal up.
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It's about goals. I couldn't give a damn if they want to spent 15 minutes deciding whether a player is sent off. It is about emotion. Spontaneous enjoyment. Wait. Wait.wait.wsit.wsut. wait. Wait. Wait. Now you have permission to celebrate.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
It's about goals. I couldn't give a damn if they want to spent 15 minutes deciding whether a player is sent off. It is about emotion. Spontaneous enjoyment. Wait. Wait.wait.wsit.wsut. wait. Wait. Wait. Now you have permission to celebrate.
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I don't understand that at all. I mean it's never 15 minutes is it? 10 seconds for a good decision or 0 seconds for a bad one? What's the rush?

If boro score a goal just celebrate. If it gets chalked off 10 seconds letter what does it matter? Just another emotion for you to savour. Surely that's happened to us all anyway? Ball hits the side of the net way down the other end of the pitch and for a moment you think it's in...

Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
not just a a minor irritant, like diving or a wrongly given goal.
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Wrong decisions aren't just a minor irritant though are they when it's a big decision? A player wrongly sent off can ruin the rest of the match. A goal incorrectly given can change the result.
 
SuperStu said:
Wrong decisions aren't just a minor irritant though are they when it's a big decision? A player wrongly sent off can ruin the rest of the match.
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Remember Traore getting sent off after about 2 minutes vs Villa a few years ago? I bet that wouldn't have been the decision with VAR. Hows that for entertainment and emotion? It ruined the game.
 
VAR could be the greatest thing to happen to football but it’s not being used correctly IMO, not sure if anyone saw it but when Brighton played man united a couple of weeks back there was a blatant Penalty for Brighton and the ref was wrong but VAR didn’t award it.
 
Nano said:
That's on you. There were 43 disallowed goals by VAR in the PL last season (in 380 matches). 1071 goals so if you had celebrated them all you'd have had one ruled out 3.86% of the time. Would you really not celebrate 100% of the goals because you are thinking about the 4% that might be disallowed instead of the 96% that stand?

Football is entertainment in the sense that you are watching it to find out who the best is. There is a reason that things like friendlies, early League Cup rounds etc don't have the same level of interest and that is because nothing is at stake.

I think more people have a problem with unfair outcomes than celebrating incorrectly 4% of goals.
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But it affects the celebrations of literally 100% of those goals. Every time someone scores the delirium and utter joy which comes with scoring an important goal is completely watered down by the knowledge there are boffins looking at monitors for reasons why the goal may be disallowed.
 
SuperStu said:
I don't understand that at all. I mean it's never 15 minutes is it? 10 seconds for a good decision or 0 seconds for a bad one? What's the rush?

If boro score a goal just celebrate. If it gets chalked off 10 seconds letter what does it matter? Just another emotion for you to savour. Surely that's happened to us all anyway? Ball hits the side of the net way down the other end of the pitch and for a moment you think it's in...



Wrong decisions aren't just a minor irritant though are they when it's a big decision? A player wrongly sent off can ruin the rest of the match. A goal incorrectly given can change the result.
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You obviously just enjoy things in a different way to me. You can't turn these things on and off. You can't enjoy scoring a goal if you're expecting it to be chalked off any second. Some people are emotional some people analytical. It surprises me that people can't comprehend this.

Incorrect decisions are just part of football. I know that if we get one against us we'll get one for us. Does the league cup win feel illegitimate to you because one of our goals should have been disallowed.
 
SuperStu said:
Remember Traore getting sent off after about 2 minutes vs Villa a few years ago? I bet that wouldn't have been the decision with VAR. Hows that for entertainment and emotion? It ruined the game.
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Yeah, Vs all the amazing moments var has ruined. That 30 yard thunderbolt you just witnessed in the last minute. That didn't happen. It the Bobby Ewing is still alive moment of football.
 
The Matt Crooks goal at Man Utd is a very good example. I'd seen it brush against Dunc's hand and expected it to be chalked off on VAR. Spoiled the moment because I'm just waiting for the VAR.
 
Muttley said:
The Matt Crooks goal at Man Utd is a very good example. I'd seen it brush against Dunc's hand and expected it to be chalked off on VAR. Spoiled the moment because I'm just waiting for the VAR.
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But its not? If there hadn't been VAR would you somehow not have seen it touch his hand? Would you not have expected it to be chalked off?

That goals an example where everything would be exactly the same. Just 10 seconds quicker.

Or actually more likely, if something was going to be different, without having VAR to fall back on and check, the ref would have just guessed, hedged with the home crowd and disallowed the goal.
 
SuperStu said:
So why not this 👆 for the idea that goals can be disallowed? Because the only example you're really talking about where VARs a problem for you is when it results in a goal being disallowed?
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VAR is a problem for me when used to determine whether a goal can stand. You want var for a red card? No problem. It's goals that it ruins.
 
SuperStu said:
But its not? If there hadn't been VAR would you somehow not have seen it touch his hand? Would you not have expected it to be chalked off?

That goals an example where everything would be exactly the same. Just 10 seconds quicker.

Or actually more likely, if something was going to be different, without having VAR to fall back on and check, the ref would have just guessed, hedged with the home crowd and disallowed the goal.
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You aren't really understanding the issue here.
 
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