Will Tory @#×@ get the message from voters ?

[coluka]

The Uxbridge result shows there are plenty thinking 'The country's in a right state. We need to vote Tory to keep the lefties out'
I don't know what the polling for this seat was, but it shows that plenty will vote Tory - and I think the polls difference will narrow as the January 2025 election approaches

Sadly, I think you are right as the press are already writing headlines that the subsequent report does not justify. People will be suckered in and brainwashed by headlines that over egg reality and be fearful of change. I still believe Labour will win the election, but it wont be a 1997 sweep to power as some think. Labour needs to put meat on the bones, Starmer has to answer the hows and why’s and where the money is coming from and the reality of life in Britain if the tories get 5 more years. There should be no more promises and then U turns, just promises and keep to them.

 

[HolgateCorner]

When you can’t get a GP appointment or are waiting hours in A&E how often is it because the surgeries are full of fit young men in front of you in the queue?
I get sick to death of repeating myself, the economic migrants come because they can just disappear into the system. All the “Gammons” moan like fcuk and spit their tea out whilst watching the dinghies arrive on the news and yet don’t give a fcuk when one of the occupants delivers their take-away for buttons. That’s why they come and are encouraged to come.

Agreed, we are a country full of aging spivvy contradictory people.

 

[Piccadilly Day Tripper]

Uxbridge was held by less than 500 votes, so I don't think its the resounding rejection of Khan everyone is making it out to be. I don't live in London so I don't know enough about ULEZ, but in Manchester a similar scheme was put on hold days before coming into effect. Again, there's a bit of political chicanery as Central Government was insisting the policy was introduced, tying the hands of the Labour mayor to enact national policy. We'll see how this plays out.

I support a move towards Net Zero, but it shows that you can't achieve it by penalising people for trying to live their lives with the tools at their disposal - it all needs a far more coherent top-down strategy which is going to cost a huge amount of money and take a generation and longer to achieve. Not sure the UK is up to it in its current state.

Obviously not a fan of the Tories and their foaming at the mouth cheerleaders, but it must be nice to wake up in Uxbridge this morning and know that if you have a problem, your consituency MP is going to be available to help, clearly has local knowledge and cares for the area, unlike the previous scum-bag.

 

[Laughing]

Uxbridge was held by less than 500 votes, so I don't think its the resounding rejection of Khan everyone is making it out to be. I don't live in London so I don't know enough about ULEZ, but in Manchester a similar scheme was put on hold days before coming into effect. Again, there's a bit of political chicanery as Central Government was insisting the policy was introduced, tying the hands of the Labour mayor to enact national policy. We'll see how this plays out.

I support a move towards Net Zero, but it shows that you can't achieve it by penalising people for trying to live their lives with the tools at their disposal - it all needs a far more coherent top-down strategy which is going to cost a huge amount of money and take a generation and longer to achieve. Not sure the UK is up to it in its current state.

Obviously not a fan of the Tories and their foaming at the mouth cheerleaders, but it must be nice to wake up in Uxbridge this morning and know that if you have a problem, your consituency MP is going to be available to help, clearly has local knowledge and cares for the area, unlike the previous scum-bag.

ULEZ is a punitive charge. Rich people can afford the charge, or an expensive ev. Rge folks who can only afford a 15 year old run around are impacted much more.

If it were means tested it would equalize the impact and whats wrong with have proportional impacts.

 

[BeanBeany]

ULEZ is a punitive charge. Rich people can afford the charge, or an expensive ev. Rge folks who can only afford a 15 year old run around are impacted much more.

If it were means tested it would equalize the impact and whats wrong with have proportional impacts.

ULEZ generally doesn't even hit richer people as most recent cars are exempt, the group of cars impacted are slightly older diesel models and old petrol which tend to be owned by the less affluent

 

[Omega]

We all sincerely hope that Labour will readdress the inequality of big business like banks literally shafting the English public and the thick English public just let them without a murmur

I hope they do but they did nothing for Teesside last time they were in power. If honest I think we need a successful uprising in this country and also in Europe as their is such disparity between those with and those with nothing

 

[Boroboyyo]

They’ve took a battering despite clinging on to Uxbridge because of citizen khans ULEZ policy (tin eared khan !)

You’d think anyone with an ounce of humility and humanity would step back and say, people are hurting and the banks, oil companies and certain big corporations and water companies are literally taking the absolute pi$$ out of people and you’re government just allows it to happen - if we, the Tories want any chance of victory at the next election we must do something different and fast

And the complete disaster that brexit brings in slowly sinking the country’s economy.


But no, the scum will beat the racist drum of stop the boats, squeeze public services funding (that the people rely on) because the Tories are not human IMHO.


That said, once again, people hold their (fcuking) noses and think this scum is worth voting for in this (state) of the UK today - doesn’t that just tell you everything you need to know about the stupid English voters.

I’m ashamed to be English.

A kinder gentler politics they said

The 'white' migrants are escaping a war in Europe & travel through a managed administrated system.. & have somewhere designated for them to be housed..

Many of the boat migrants are little more than economic migrants, & do not help the real migrants - also that majority seem to be single adult males, doesn't help their cause.

The Tory message on immigration isn’t unpopular . It’s just they’re not implementing it and the numbers continue to increase . I mean for **** sake , the uk supposedly left the eu because of the issue of immigration and we’re apparently full of racists .The tories are also feeling the effects of the fallout on Johnson being corrupt and taking the **** during the lockdowns . Had he not done that , he most likely would be still pm and riding high in the polls .

It’s not going to be popular on here , but I usually either vote Tory or I generally abstain . I will be abstaining this time . Doesn’t mean I want Labour , but I’m more comfortable they’re centrist now and potentially taking power than if they were left wing (Christ no, **** corbyn politics) . I will never forgive Johnson for taking the **** during Christmas while my wife was denied the chance to see her dad for his last Christmas as we followed the rules strictly before eventually he succumbed to pulmonary embolism caused by covid .

 

[BobUpnDown]

Tories have been in power since 2010 & their policies & politicians are responsible for much of the problems we face..

It's not just Johnson that is morally corrupt.. Lettuce was in for 40 odd days & royally stuffed us up.. HS2 big white elephant: Cameron & Osbourne.. then we have the underlings.. Mogg inc..

 

[h_m_boro]

It’s not going to be popular on here , but I usually either vote Tory or I generally abstain . I will be abstaining this time.

And that is your democratic right to do so.

As is your right to abstain. May not be popular on here, but everyone has to respect your choice

As a Tory voter what are your views on the huge lurch to the right, and the RW controlling the party?

 

[1finny]

And that is your democratic right to do so.

As is your right to abstain. May not be popular on here, but everyone has to respect your choice

As a Tory voter what are your views on the huge lurch to the right, and the RW controlling the party?

I'll take an abstension from any ex Tory voter - spread the word tho if you know any more

 

[Easterside_Red]

I'll take an abstension from any ex Tory voter - spread the word tho if you know any more

I know plenty of supposed Labour supporters intending to abstain or spoil their ballot paper. They all post on here.

 

[1finny]

I know plenty of supposed Labour supporters intending to abstain or spoil their ballot paper. They all post on here.

Maybe we should do pairing like they do in the commons?
You can only spoil your paper or abstain if you can find someone from the other party to do the same.....

 

[hewielewie]

The Uxbridge result shows there are plenty thinking 'The country's in a right state. We need to vote Tory to keep the lefties out'
I don't know what the polling for this seat was, but it shows that plenty will vote Tory - and I think the polls difference will narrow as the January 2025 election approaches

Professor Curtice reckons it will be October 2024

 

[h_m_boro]

I'll take an abstension from any ex Tory voter - spread the word tho if you know any more

I don't know any Tories, or those that happily admit it.

Reckon a couple of people I know are shy/sly Tories though......or they will vote for any party that least threatens their wealth......

 

[Frozen Horse]

I wonder what difference all the independent/novelty/eccentric candidates made to the Uxbridge result? As Johnson's seat, it was high profile, and there's always a swarm of candidate for this: 17 in total.

2368 votes cast from candidates other than the 4 main parties, and a majority of 495. I accept that Laurence Fox voters are unlikely to vote Labour, but maybe fewer outsider candidates would have changed the result? There certainly won't be so many vote splitters in most constituencies.

 

[Boro4life]

You don’t know that of course.
He wants to win - that’s for sure, and he won’t announce anything likely to distance wavering voters.
What he does in power is the acid test

But by doing this he is losing support of labour members like me I just don't have the excitement in keir Starmer being prime minister. He is silencing all critics in the party too its horrible to see

 

[1finny]

But by doing this he is losing support of labour members like me I just don't have the excitement in keir Starmer being prime minister. He is silencing all critics in the party too its horrible to see

Your choice for sure
Just one thing - a vote for Labour ends the appalling refugees being shipped to Rwanda saga

 

[Piccadilly Day Tripper]

I wonder what difference all the independent/novelty/eccentric candidates made to the Uxbridge result? As Johnson's seat, it was high profile, and there's always a swarm of candidate for this: 17 in total.

2368 votes cast from candidates other than the 4 main parties, and a majority of 495. I accept that Laurence Fox voters are unlikely to vote Labour, but maybe fewer outsider candidates would have changed the result? There certainly won't be so many vote splitters in most constituencies.

It's also been pointed out that the Brunel university students (who mainly live in Uxbridge and Ruislip) were also in the main not in attendance as its the summer recess.

Would be interesting to see what happens with an October election, as predicted above.

 

[mitch_at_merseyside]

I had a feeling Labour wouldn't win in Uxbridge. Tories successfully made it a referendum on ULEZ.

Starmer did nothing to prevent that either, they asked him several times and he refused to answer the question as to whether he supported the scheme and eventually began distancing himself from Khan

This is what I don't get from Starmer. Time and time again he sits on the fence or is petrified to tell us what he really thinks about issues. He doesn't help himself whenever he's asked about trans issues for example, whether a woman could have a penis, or when it comes to Brexit, how damaging it actually is to our economy and world standing. He took some calls on LBC a few weeks back, and some callers in London were angry about ULEZ, and I thought, there was a chance to ease some of the nerves about the financial worries the locals are having. Instead, he said nothing but, well we need to meet net zero and unless you qualify for the scrappage scheme, there's nothing else I can add. His background of being a prosecutor has served him well as the leader in opposition, but it doesn't quite fit as PM material. He needs to either seriously up his game and strategy to be bolder and have more conviction with more policies announced, or he needs more of his front bench team to make their voices heard, even more, to take some of the heat off his weaknesses.

Last night should have been 3 wipeouts from the Tories, I feel sick to my stomach that they are spinning this into a 'we can win the next election' soundbite, which sadly will be lapped up.

 

[Unravel_Morrison]

ULEZ is a punitive charge. Rich people can afford the charge, or an expensive ev. Rge folks who can only afford a 15 year old run around are impacted much more.

If it were means tested it would equalize the impact and whats wrong with have proportional impacts

It would be impossible to means test it.