Wilder

[viv_andersons_nana]

I posted this in September as it was clear there were big issues

I’m officially worried now

This side is seriously lacking any mf creativity and the manager doesn’t seem bothered. I think there are serious problems behind the scenes (that’s my own opinion other may disagree and that’s fine) but to see the likes of hoppe cast aside when we can’t hit barn door is just baffling. That...

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I’m talking about this time last year. People were absolutely loving it. Now lots of people are saying the red flags and warning signs were there all along, that his shape and system had been sussed out at Sheffield United, his man-management was lacking, he was a bully, etc. I feel it’s interesting.

Save for @Glover_elbow and one or two others, I can’t think of many who were raising these types of issues prior to the Burnley kerfuffle(whatever it actually was).

It’s amazing how quickly people can turn and just hammer the bloke for all manner of things, some of which there’s no actual evidence to support. People are slaughtering him and I think it’s unnecessary.

Don’t expect anyone to agree, just my opinion obvs.

 

[Jedi boro]

I’m talking about this time last year. People were absolutely loving it. Now lots of people are saying the red flags and warning signs were there all along, that his shape and system had been sussed out at Sheffield United, his man-management was lacking, he was a bully, etc. I feel it’s interesting.

Save for @Glover_elbow and one or two others, I can’t think of many who were raising these types of issues prior to the Burnley kerfuffle(whatever it actually was).

It’s amazing how quickly people can turn and just hammer the bloke for all manner of things, some of which there’s no actual evidence to support. People are slaughtering him and I think it’s unnecessary.

Don’t expect anyone to agree, just my opinion obvs.

I’ll admit I was fully supporting like teacider was but over the autumn
it was clear all wasn’t well.

His bizarre reputation speech was the last straw for me he basically threw the club under the bus it was pretty shocking really.

 

[viv_andersons_nana]

I’ll admit I was fully supporting like teacider was but over the autumn
it was clear all wasn’t well.

His bizarre reputation speech was the last straw for me he basically threw the club under the bus it was pretty shocking really.

Which speech was that? Not having a go, just interested.

 

[h_m_boro]

My thoughts on Wilder.......his demise happened very quickly. June time was exciting - promise of players in, rebuild, continuing to look upwards.

July, Wilder was clearly frustrated not getting Gayle and Mcgoldrick in (and I assume there were others) but he played company man blaming the market not the recruitment team per se.

Season kicked off, squad - especially midfield - looked a bit light but good enough for the playoffs. Some good performances didn't get the results. But instead of building we started to fall apart and the performances became shocking.

Fall down the table was rapid and Wilder was unable to shift from Plan A, where I believe we had been proper sussed. Teams found it pretty easy to play against us and exploit our weaknesses.

He started picking on individuals and wouldn't accept responsibility for our predicament. Looked like he lost the dressing room and players looked disinterested and disheartened.

Only ever going to be one outcome.

The Burnley thing was clearly a distraction, assume it was discussions between third parties and no direct Burnley/Boro link.....whatever, he handled it dreadfully. Could have nipped things in the bud and said "not interested" but took 3-4 weeks to kind of, sort of commit to Boro. Lost a lot of the fans after this and moving forward Gibson wouldn't give him millions to spend - fearing a Monk #2 as he obviously suspected he was not all in.

Behind the scenes fall out with Scott helped to seal his fate - he was unable to work in our new system.

Certainly think there were a chain of events led to his dismissal, not specifically Burnley related, and his attitude/arrogance didn't help his situation. Confidence in yourself is one thing, but the inability to accept blame is another.....and towards the end it was always somebody else's fault.

Oh well, no real hard feelings, we move on.

 

[BiggEggo]

The man was a victim of his own ego.

 

[Fattyfoggon]

dunno there is a lot of guess work on here, I still think Wilder is a very good manager and we missed an opportunity to really push on it just seems a shame it all messed up but I have no idea where the fault lays, hopefully at some point Wilder will have his say

 

[changingman]

Must admit it's looking more and more likely that I'm the lone voice who would still have him here?

 

[newyddion]

Must admit it's looking more and more likely that I'm the lone voice who would still have him here?

Would you be happy with us still playing 3-5-2 and everyone being slagged off by wilder?

McNair only at right back, Lenihan in over Fry, no academy players and Muniz to be the only striker that plays..

 

[newyddion]

I’m talking about this time last year. People were absolutely loving it. Now lots of people are saying the red flags and warning signs were there all along, that his shape and system had been sussed out at Sheffield United, his man-management was lacking, he was a bully, etc. I feel it’s interesting.

Save for @Glover_elbow and one or two others, I can’t think of many who were raising these types of issues prior to the Burnley kerfuffle(whatever it actually was).

It’s amazing how quickly people can turn and just hammer the bloke for all manner of things, some of which there’s no actual evidence to support. People are slaughtering him and I think it’s unnecessary.

Don’t expect anyone to agree, just my opinion obvs.

This time last year he wasn’t even manager!

The issues came up as they happened.. some people noted the issues, others let them go.. now they are there for all to see.

 

[Andy_W]

Forss reminds me of Jordon Rhodes, works hard, great finisher, but don't expect too much in other areas of the pitch.

I think he could score goals for us, plenty in fact, but we havent worked out how to get the best from him yet. I definitely think he works far better with another striker, either a 9 of a 10, but in terms of how we get him on the end of the ball in the box I'm not we've got close to cracking that yet.

100%, he needs to be paired with a lighthouse (like Rhodes with Gestede at Blackburn), or a big thug so he can feed off the scraps.

There's a place for him in some team, just not quite sure if it's ours, or could be ours.

 

[Ripley11]

I remember when Everton were looking for a new manager, one of the pundits on 5 Live said there was an absolute perfect man for the job…only problem is he’s just joined Middlesbrough. I think at that time, his reputation was probably at its peak, had us playing well, the failure season at United a distant memory. I do think his early successes with us made his ego even bigger and he became even more arrogant, believing his own hype.

He has always handled poor results and any criticism really poorly though. Questioned about Connolly he would be very defensive and throw other players under the bus. He didn’t handle stress at all well. Coming into this season, telling players they could go, taking the no.2 shirt of Dijksteel and saying Paddy would be RCB, not giving the new strikers one of the first 11 squad numbers (despite an abundance of them). He was clearly indicating to certain players they just weren’t good enough.

Not heard any positive words about him from within the club or media since he went. Some real warmth towards Warnock from the staff and media, absolutely nothing about Wilder at all. No love lost between either party it seems.

 

[Glover_elbow]

I remember when Everton were looking for a new manager, one of the pundits on 5 Live said there was an absolute perfect man for the job…only problem is he’s just joined Middlesbrough. I think at that time, his reputation was probably at its peak, had us playing well, the failure season at United a distant memory. I do think his early successes with us made his ego even bigger and he became even more arrogant, believing his own hype.

He has always handled poor results and any criticism really poorly though. Questioned about Connolly he would be very defensive and throw other players under the bus. He didn’t handle stress at all well. Coming into this season, telling players they could go, taking the no.2 shirt of Dijksteel and saying Paddy would be RCB, not giving the new strikers one of the first 11 squad numbers (despite an abundance of them). He was clearly indicating to certain players they just weren’t good enough.

Not heard any positive words about him from within the club or media since he went. Some real warmth towards Warnock from the staff and media, absolutely nothing about Wilder at all. No love lost between either party it seems.

Agree with all of that his man management was terrible.

my main reason for not wanting him in the first place even before he signed was his personality he is just someone I could not warm to or trust. Listening back to even his first press conferences he comes across as an arrogant know-all with no humility.i get the impression that if we had got promoted with wilder he would claim it was down to his tactical genius and not the efforts of the players.

Carrick couldn't be more different there's a great read in the gazette with Carrick talking glowingly about hackney the contrast couldn't be starker.

 

[Millbrook]

Big contrast with Beale at QPR who quashed speculation that he may return to Villa. He said that after getting people to buy into his vision for QPR it would not be right to jump ship.

Sam Field (QPR player) said the players were worried about him leaving but;

'what a statement he made for us players and the club. His big word is integrity and fair play, he showed a lot of that,.

 

[Rofesleg]

Big contrast with Beale at QPR who quashed speculation that he may return to Villa. He said that after getting people to buy into his vision for QPR it would not be right to jump ship.

Sam Field (QPR player) said the players were worried about him leaving but;

'what a statement he made for us players and the club. His big word is integrity and fair play, he showed a lot of that,.

The statement he made once he had made his decision was all well and good, but I don't think we Boro fans would have been pleased with his statement when the link first came out. Basically said he will go if the right opportunity comes along:

"I took the decision to turn my phone off because we had this game to concentrate on. The moment Les speaks to me I'll know one way or another. If an offer comes in officially, you don't have to take it. You have to weigh up everything.

"It would be difficult to leave. Football is about feelings and relationships. We've built strong relationships here.

"It's 100 per cent a dream of mine to manage in the Premier League. That's not a secret.

"But it has to be the right opportunity, the right moment and the right club. And they would have to give me a really clear understanding of where that club is going."

 

[Priv]

I’m talking about this time last year. People were absolutely loving it. Now lots of people are saying the red flags and warning signs were there all along, that his shape and system had been sussed out at Sheffield United, his man-management was lacking, he was a bully, etc. I feel it’s interesting.

Save for @Glover_elbow and one or two others, I can’t think of many who were raising these types of issues prior to the Burnley kerfuffle(whatever it actually was).

It’s amazing how quickly people can turn and just hammer the bloke for all manner of things, some of which there’s no actual evidence to support. People are slaughtering him and I think it’s unnecessary.

Don’t expect anyone to agree, just my opinion obvs.

I raised issue with wilder before he got the job stating I didn’t want him, I didn’t like his behaviour towards the end of his sheff utd tenure and had a feeling it wouldnt end well for us but then got fully behind him when he got the job and hoped for the best as that’s what I do. Sadly I was right to begin with.

 

[Millbrook]

The statement he made once he had made his decision was all well and good, but I don't think we Boro fans would have been pleased with his statement when the link first came out. Basically said he will go if the right opportunity comes along:

"I took the decision to turn my phone off because we had this game to concentrate on. The moment Les speaks to me I'll know one way or another. If an offer comes in officially, you don't have to take it. You have to weigh up everything.

"It would be difficult to leave. Football is about feelings and relationships. We've built strong relationships here.

"It's 100 per cent a dream of mine to manage in the Premier League. That's not a secret.

"But it has to be the right opportunity, the right moment and the right club. And they would have to give me a really clear understanding of where that club is going."

I don't fully agree with your interpretation and I would not criticise what he said. I see it as a very open and honest comment that is a reality every successful manager faces.

The first 2 sentences describes his position at QPR the second 2 the longer term future. The big thing is that he was transparent and did not duck the issue.

All managers will go if the right opportunity comes along but that also involves an assessment of what you have committed to in your current post as he showed.

It's all opinions of course and your view is as valid as mine.

 

[Rofesleg]

I don't fully agree with your interpretation and I would not criticise what he said. I see it as a very open and honest comment that is a reality every successful manager faces.

The first 2 sentences describes his position at QPR the second 2 the longer term future. The big thing is that he was transparent and did not duck the issue.

All managers will go if the right opportunity comes along but that also involves an assessment of what you have committed to in your current post as he showed.

It's all opinions of course and your view is as valid as mine.

Don't forget that the statement was made while he was considering the Wolves job, it wasn't just a general assessment of his future.
I'm pretty sure if Wilder had said something similar when the Burnley links started, the general consensus wouldn't have been "what an honest and transparent man he is. Good on him".

 

[Millbrook]

Don't forget that the statement was made while he was considering the Wolves job, it wasn't just a general assessment of his future.
I'm pretty sure if Wilder had said something similar when the Burnley links started, the general consensus wouldn't have been "what an honest and transparent man he is. Good on him".

Doesn't that make it all the more honest and transparent?
I agree with your comment about if Wilder had said something like that which was the point I was alluding to.

 

[Rofesleg]

Doesn't that make it all the more honest and transparent?
I agree with your comment about if Wilder had said something like that which was the point I was alluding to.

Honest and transparent, but not what you want to hear from your newly appointed manager. If I was QPR fan I'd still be worried he'd be off as soon as the 'right opportunity' came along.