Wilder

[WhiskeyMan]

For me Personally i think the first red flag is when he kept playing Lumley and Connolly and refused to drop them, since both were awful players (Although i thought Lumley was better than Connolly) and then came the Burnley speculation in April and since then Wilder didn’t feel the same to me. Along with isolating Akpom from Pre season, and buying players and barely giving them an opportunity.

 

[newyddion]

For me Personally i think the first red flag is when he kept playing Lumley and Connolly and refused to drop them, since both were awful players (Although i thought Lumley was better than Connolly) and then came the Burnley speculation in April and since then Wilder didn’t feel the same to me. Along with isolating Akpom from Pre season, and buying players and barely giving them an opportunity.

Starting and persevering with Siliki away at Barnsley he’d sacked him off in December, told him to find a new club. Then because of Wilder’s tactical limitations and naivety.. we ended up with Taylor in a back three, Tavernier on the wing snd Peltier on the bench.

 

[alanmoodysdog]

some of the team selections were self destruct button time.... Burnley was the rot... I am sure he was told then he didnt have a future at the club. Seemed to stop wearing the Boro tops at pressers as well to show thinly disguised contempt

 

[r00fie1]

All round disappointment: looking back, he appears to have thrown the baby out with the bathwater.
Thought initially he was a good Manager and they key to promotion and a bright future.
Be interesting to see where he goes next?

 

[Jedi boro]

Seemed to stop wearing the Boro tops at pressers as well to show thinly disguised contempt

I noticed that as well

He also started to refer to us as they and not as we as well.

 

[Acklam_Lad]

He should have been told to go immediately after the Burnley incident. It was clear his heart wasn’t in it and he had been turned.

We might not be in our current predicament if Gibson had grown a pair and shown him the door

 

[Colin Warnek]

He should have been told to go immediately after the Burnley incident. It was clear his heart wasn’t in it and he had been turned.

We might not be in our current predicament if Gibson had grown a pair and shown him the door

At the end of the season certainly.

 

[ForssAwakens]

Still the Burnley incident is peddled as fact

 

[parmoboy]

He should have been told to go immediately after the Burnley incident. It was clear his heart wasn’t in it and he had been turned.

We might not be in our current predicament if Gibson had grown a pair and shown him the door

It surprised me at the time that Gibson didn't give him the push, especially when you consider how ruthless he can be, and how much of an importance he places on loyalty.

I do believe it's part of the reason why Wilder wasn't heavily backed with regards to recruitment in the summer - I don't think Gibson trusted him but then you think surely it would have made more sense to have given him the chop if that was the case.

 

[HolgateCorner]

I think he struggled to cope with the pressure.

Maybe the Sheff U relegation meltdown had a long term affect on him.

 

[Cardiffdaffs]

I think he struggled to cope with the pressure.

Maybe the Sheff U relegation meltdown had a long term affect on him.

There may be something in that. Will be interesting how long it will be before he gets another job but I bet you on reflection he wished he had done things differently. If he isn’t having a moment of self reflection he lacks professional pride.

 

[ForssAwakens]

I think he struggled to cope with the pressure.

Maybe the Sheff U relegation meltdown had a long term affect on him.

This is a sensible suggestion. That last season at sheff utd was his first real failure

 

[alanmoodysdog]

he will be financially secure so maybe an early retirement. A lot of owners will know the truth about his time both here and Sheff Utd and will see it as a charactor flaw

 

[newyddion]

It surprised me at the time that Gibson didn't give him the push, especially when you consider how ruthless he can be, and how much of an importance he places on loyalty.

I do believe it's part of the reason why Wilder wasn't heavily backed with regards to recruitment in the summer - I don't think Gibson trusted him but then you think surely it would have made more sense to have given him the chop if that was the case.

I mean.. £11.5m is still a fair whack.

He was backed last January and should have made the playoffs..

He wrote off our whole academy and with the emergence of Hayden Hackney that is looking like a very silly thing to do indeed!

 

[Jonny Ingbar]

I think he struggled to cope with the pressure.

Maybe the Sheff U relegation meltdown had a long term affect on him.

The red flags were there with Wilder, but we took a chance which ultimately backfired.

He did have a bit of a meltdown at Sheff Utd and fell out with the owners over recruitment to the extent he left.

West Brom came close to taking him on before he came here, but the Sheff Utd owner apparently contacted his WBA counterpart and warned against the appointment.

He is a great manager in my opinion, but one who has some fundamental flaws and I'm think these have really damaged his reputation and standing in the game.

I'm interested to see what his next job will be, but I suspect he will have to step down from a club like ours, rather than up.

 

[pallyparker]

good post. i'd be really interested to see where he ends up next. somewhere along the line i can see him at a barnsley, rotherham or huddersfield. his stock has definitely lowered after his failings with us. i'm pretty sure he'll be determined to prove his worth at his next club now that he's tarnished his reputation (and record he'd constantly reminded us of) with us.

 

[Alzi]

All credit to him for developing some very inventive tactics but I do wonder whether teams have learned how to counter this and make it much less effective.

He also seemed very stuck in his ways and unable to adapt his tactics to the strengths (or lack of) of our squad. It was so obvious to anyone, except Wilder, that 3 at the back just wasn't working anymore for us but still he didn't even consider changing it.

Deserved sacking in the end. Doesn't take away the scrutiny from Scott and the recruitment team though.

 

[BoroMart]

I think he struggled to cope with the pressure.

Maybe the Sheff U relegation meltdown had a long term affect on him.

Believed his own hype too much. Seems to have forgotten that management is about gaining the trust and respect of your players, and that fell off a cliff.

 

[BoroMart]

All credit for him for developing some very inventive tactics but I do wonder whether teams have learned how to counter this and make it much less effective.

Yes, clearly an element of that, however wasn't it Alan Knill who invented the overlapping CB strategy? Wilder trusted it and implemented it. But it wasn't his invention or his coaching necessarily that got it working.

 

[atypical_boro]

He should have been told to go immediately after the Burnley incident. It was clear his heart wasn’t in it and he had been turned.

We might not be in our current predicament if Gibson had grown a pair and shown him the door

Easy to say in hindsight, but I think you're right. I think he was very interested in that job and very seriously considering taking it if offered. In which case, I'm glad he's gone now regardless of how good a manager he is. Will be interesting to see if he proves how good he is in his next role, or if, like many managers after one promotion to the Premier League, he has run out of ideas and realised he's maybe not as proven as he thinks. Similar scenario to Karanka in a way, I don't think he ever considered leaving but he reached a stage where he clearly believed he was above the job here. "Good managers" are a very rare commodity, most just have one or two good spells throughout their career.