Why are most of Boro players not being vaccinated

I can understand why players don't want the jab, given the long terms effects are unknown and they rely on the their bodies for their profession
There has never been any evidence of any vaccine having long term adverse effects. There's no biological mechanism for it to happen.

Vaccines are designed to mimic a pathogen. This "tricks" the body into thinking it's being attacked by a foreign organism. The immune system reacts by creating antibodies and T cells that then act to consume and destroy what it sees as a potentially harmful foreign invader, i.e. the components of the vaccine.

So within a few weeks, everything that made up the vaccine has been eliminated from the body. There's nothing left that could somehow become active years later and start causing problems.

This is mentioned in the article linked to below, as follows:

"Of all the vaccines we use, in infancy, childhood, adolescence, and adulthood, none of them have any long-term effects," Schaffner said.

"No vaccine has shown side effects 2 to 5 years later. That doesn't exist because there's no biological reason for it."
Is Old Vaccine Technology the Key to Hesitancy?
 
There has never been any evidence of any vaccine having long term adverse effects. There's no biological mechanism for it to happen.

Vaccines are designed to mimic a pathogen. This "tricks" the body into thinking it's being attacked by a foreign organism. The immune system reacts by creating antibodies and T cells that then act to consume and destroy what it sees as a potentially harmful foreign invader, i.e. the components of the vaccine.

So within a few weeks, everything that made up the vaccine has been eliminated from the body. There's nothing left that could somehow become active years later and start causing problems.

This is mentioned in the article linked to below, as follows:


Is Old Vaccine Technology the Key to Hesitancy?
I understand that, the point I'm making is the is an unknown to this situation and only time will prove whether there are any unknown effects.

Whilst I personally think it is very unlikely that any significant effects will be encountered, I also respect that other people may not hold that view - however fanciful I might find it.

Ultimately its a trust issue I suppose and it's easy to see how public opinion can be tainted, usually in an adverse way; the negative press that the 'Oxford' vaccine attracted, especially overseas, is evidence of that.

So I can understand why some people are less trusting than I am.
 
I always remember heading out to the Gulf in the early seventies and being told not to have the yellow fever, cholera, typhoid, smallpox jabs as they would be 'dangerous'.

There used to be an immunisation form you handed over at customs. If you didn't hand one over you didn't get in!!
 
Clearly the biggest risk to these lads is long covid, that is the ticking time bomb.

What the hell do people think might be in this vaccine??? It's not got anything in it that will have long term consequences - apart from immunity to Covid hopefully but we shall see - some idiots seem to think that the vaccine will cause you to self combust or grow a second head in 5yrs time.

It is beyond stupid.
How do you know that like? Are you an MRNA scientist :D?
 
They're young, fit, healthy and subject to frequent medical testing. They're also millionaires with access to private medical care. They have little to fear personally.

99 percent of them will see no consequence from not having it and thats just the way it is.

Also to get jabbed now would risk short term side effects of which there are many and that are common, rendering them unable to play or train.

Its also more difficult to submit to a known risk(having the vaccine, irrespective of how tiny that risk is) than it is to leave it up to chance (their estimation of the chances of suffering from covid caught in the wild). I think this is a big factor that people often overlook.


Hesitancy amongst the young and healthy is no great mystery. Its just not that much of a big deal for young people. No matter how many single cases of otherwise healthy people dying they wish to cherry pick and publish in the Guardian.

We have seen legitimate scientists and government advisors question the idea of vaccinating children on a risk benefit basis. In some cases suggesting they might be better off just catching it.

I do not think it is entirely faulty logic on the side of those marginally older than that to question the benefit, though you may be able to pull the stats and show some marginal benefit to a 20 year old getting jabbed. They might be wrong in their estimations of relative risk, but the line of enquiry is not absurd enough to dismiss them simply as idiots. The risk to a 20 year old dying is, according to that tool they made:

COVID associated death0.0001%1 in 1000000
COVID associated hospital admission0.0028%1 in 35714



Meahwhile, i recently pointed out the potential for cancer as a side effect to something my doctor advised, less than a 1 in 2000 risk he said. Dismissed my concerns. Described it as "very small". Not a problem. Negligible

So whats 1 in 35,714, of merely being admitted to hospital, or 1 in 1,000,000 of dying!? And this is presumably an average 20 year old, opposed to an athlete under the conditions i described above.


Even if you can show them that the risk from the vaccine is smaller (which I am sure it is. first page google result for Astraa Zeneca blood clots says 411 cases, 71 dead, 47.5 million doses), as i said above, actively choosing to take on that known risk is an entirely different proposition to a 1 in a million chance of dying from an encounter "in the wild". And this must be considered.

So yeah, i agree they should probably have been vaccinated, if only to get it out of the way over the summer and increase their resistance during the season.

But its a bit mad having a pop and dismissing them as idiots. Dont they know theres a 0.0028% chance of them being admitted to hospital!!

Now the greater good argument is there, of course, but i would suggest you are the idiots if you honestly expect that alone to move them to action.
 
Its just not that much of a big deal for young people.


This myth needs countering.
It is, in the whole, thankfully, far less of a risk to young people.
But nearly 46 thousand 0-17 yr olds in the US have been hospitalised with it so far.
The current 7 day average for admissions (0-17 yr olds) is 212 per day.

Those are far from insignificant numbers.
AND, we do not yet know the long term impact or complications from covid.


 
They're young, fit, healthy and subject to frequent medical testing. They're also millionaires with access to private medical care. They have little to fear personally.

Hesitancy amongst the young and healthy is no great mystery. Its just not that much of a big deal for young people. No matter how many single cases of otherwise healthy people dying they wish to cherry pick and publish in the Guardian.

The risk to a 20 year old dying is, according to that tool they made:

COVID associated death0.0001%1 in 1000000
COVID associated hospital admission0.0028%1 in 35714

Meahwhile, i recently pointed out the potential for cancer as a side effect to something my doctor advised, less than a 1 in 2000 risk he said. Dismissed my concerns. Described it as "very small". Not a problem. Negligible
This is an issue across all levels of the game not just Boro players. Apart from Premier League & some Championship clubs I would doubt many players are millionaires. Haydn Coulson will certainly not be one.

A dig at cherry picking figures from the Guardian but then you cut and paste figures yourself with no explanation of where they are from or the validity of them other than a reference to "some tool". (Figures for a 20 year old, what about a 30 year old?)

I don't understand the point you are making wrt to the "something" you asked your GP about - what ever it was he described it as a less than 1 in 2000 risk - great it's very low risk, what is the relevance of that to whether someone should get a Covid vaccine?

What answer would your GP have given if asked if he thought young footballers should get the vaccine or not - I think I know his answer.

The risk of being affected by blood clots from the vaccine was described as being the same as taking a long haul flight. I bet not many players are choosing not to fly long haul (those that can afford to) just because there is a slight risk of developing a clot.
 
This sounds draconian of me but if I was club hierarchy I’d be inclined to urge them to get the jabs , and detail the gravity of what happens If they don’t in terms of isolation etc .
OK they’ll likely not succumb to a significant illness but HAVE to abide by isolation requirements much the same as anyone who’s been in contact with them ( from cleaners , players and fans ) . I would incorporate an added passage in their contracts NOT paying them whilst they’re absent .i
 
This sounds draconian of me but if I was club hierarchy I’d be inclined to urge them to get the jabs , and detail the gravity of what happens If they don’t in terms of isolation etc .
OK they’ll likely not succumb to a significant illness but HAVE to abide by isolation requirements much the same as anyone who’s been in contact with them ( from cleaners , players and fans ) . I would incorporate an added passage in their contracts NOT paying them whilst they’re absent .i
I agree with your sentiments but you can't just add something into an existing contract.

New ones yes but signed contracts no.
 
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I agree with your sentiments but you can't just add something into an existing contract.

New ones yes but signed contracts no.
There are some substantial companies who are incorporating such measures . I’m not sure how many are British but I rather suspect this measure is being scrutinised by legal bodies both in realms of unions and corporations . Profound I know but if it can be done it soon will .
 
This myth needs countering.
It is, in the whole, thankfully, far less of a risk to young people.
But nearly 46 thousand 0-17 yr olds in the US have been hospitalised with it so far.
The current 7 day average for admissions (0-17 yr olds) is 212 per day.

Those are far from insignificant numbers.
AND, we do not yet know the long term impact or complications from covid.




 
I agree with your sentiments but you can't just add something into an existing contract.

New ones yes but signed contracts no.
Maybe, but it could be interpreted in wording already in their?

As in ensure they do everything to stay fit and healthy, comply with all club medical advice etc?
 
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