Why are most of Boro players not being vaccinated

Surely the risk of catching covid and ending up missing months plus the possibility of long covid is more of a risk than the vaccine though?
I would have thought so too, but they're a funny breed footballers - I think some of them struggle with independent thought.

Not too long ago I was talking to a lad who worked at a high end sports car dealership very near Spurs' training ground. He said they used to park new cars in the training ground car park to try and drum up some sales, which usually worked. He said once you'd sold a car to one of them and the others had seen it, they'd all be in to buy the same car, usually in the same colour!
 
I don't - because it isn't true but what is true is that as athletes they can't know what longterm complications there could be from getting covid. Many of their team mates have had covid last season, that alone you would think would make them get jabbed.
Neil Warnock did say that maybe fans could make their views known on this.
The only long terms effects we know from the vaccines is from the trials and the relatively short period of time they've been in use - that's a fact.

I said I understood their view, which is contrary to my own, it doesn't mean I agree with it - the two things aren't mutually exclusive.
 
They are young lads and younger people are less likely to want a vaccination they see as being pointless. Rightly or wrongly.
 
Obviously I don't know if this has happened, but I'd get the club doctor or someone to make them sit through a presentation about covid, the vaccine, risks and potential impact of long covid.

I wouldn't push them to take it, but I'd certainly make sure they had all the information from a credible source (including potential risks around the vaccine from what we know). Half of them are no doubt just going off what they read on social media.

If they still say no after that, that's up to them. But no good Warnock moaning about it if they haven't at least made any effort to at least make sure the players are well informed.
 
Another day another dig at Warnock from Viv. I bet you're counting the days till he's gone, right?!
Not really. I don’t particularly like him but think he’s done a good job for Boro in really difficult circumstances. He deserves a crack at this season. If he makes us hard to beat I’ll be happy because I think we were great up until January last season. I loved it. And I watch every single one of Warnock’s press conferences. It’s the first time I’ve done that with any Boro manager. I think he’s good value and I like listening to him.

The excuses do wear thin. I think he focuses on officials too much and can be a bully at times. I don’t like that. I respect the work he’s done since taking over though. It was a shame to drop off like we did last year but it can happen.

He clearly isn’t for the long-term but he’s probably got as good a chance as anyone has of getting this squad into the playoffs(or better). I hope he carves his name into Boro history this season by taking us up. I’d love it.
 
Not really. I don’t particularly like him but think he’s done a good job for Boro in really difficult circumstances. He deserves a crack at this season. If he makes us hard to beat I’ll be happy because I think we were great up until January last season. I loved it. And I watch every single one of Warnock’s press conferences. It’s the first time I’ve done that with any Boro manager. I think he’s good value and I like listening to him.

The excuses do wear thin. I think he focuses on officials too much and can be a bully at times. I don’t like that. I respect the work he’s done since taking over though. It was a shame to drop off like we did last year but it can happen.

He clearly isn’t for the long-term but he’s probably got as good a chance as anyone has of getting this squad into the playoffs(or better). I hope he carves his name into Boro history this season by taking us up. I’d love it.

I'm honestly surprised with you Viv because you always struck me as an astute, analytical, precise poster but lately you seemingly want to pick holes with everything he does.
 
I'm honestly surprised with you Viv because you always struck me as an astute, analytical, precise poster but lately you seemingly want to pick holes with everything he does.
He’s done good business this summer, IMO. He got the club to sign up the better players on proper contracts. Some young lads have come through. Up until January last season I couldn’t get enough of it. He just annoyed me by binning off the season with a third of it left to play. Maybe if supporters were at games, spending their money, he wouldn’t have started vocalising his plans for the following campaign. Who knows. But I’m genuinely looking forward to the season. I hope he gets us back to where he had us first half of last season.
 
The only long terms effects we know from the vaccines is from the trials and the relatively short period of time they've been in use - that's a fact.

I said I understood their view, which is contrary to my own, it doesn't mean I agree with it - the two things aren't mutually exclusive.
It isn't a fact - we now know as much about these vaccines long term as any other vaccines. We do not know about covid long term.
 
I don't - because it isn't true but what is true is that as athletes they can't know what longterm complications there could be from getting covid. Many of their team mates have had covid last season, that alone you would think would make them get jabbed.
Neil Warnock did say that maybe fans could make their views known on this.
Yes there is a wealth of evidence of covid causing issues that drag on for a long time, there's little evidence of the vaccine doing the same. I think having it in the summer and suffering maybe a few days of side effects woud've been the sensible approach. The club should be pushing it.
 
It isn't a fact - we now know as much about these vaccines long term as any other vaccines. We do not know about covid long term.
I think this is one we seem to be on different wavelengths over this.

It's not a fact that the long term effects of the covid vaccines (in indeed there are any) are unknown?

I don't expect there will be any, given the available evidence thus far, but only time will prove that absolutely. Until then it's impossible to rule out entirely.

Don't forget the vaccines claimed 100% efficacy against death when they were released - we know that itsnt true now.

I'm not sure where you're coming from with this to be honest.
 
Surely the risk of catching covid and ending up missing months plus the possibility of long covid is more of a risk than the vaccine though?
Any sportsman only has to look at Lewis Hamilton after Hungary to think “yeah, long Covid isn’t for me”
 
I had something a few weeks ago which made me poorly for about 8 days. Shivers, loss of taste, headache , aching joints,.sore throat.

The fever gradually subsided and about 12 days from start to finish I was back to normal again.

Whatever it was that I had wasn't very pleasant, but I just stayed at home and didn't see a soul apart from facetime.

Hopefully they won't make it a mandatory vaccination because I am very wary of how fast they pushed this whole thing through.

I know something had to be done because a lot of people are petrified, but it's getting to the point where people are being ostracised by family and friends because they decide not to get jabbed.. For all we know,.this could be the biggest ticking time bomb to ever hit the world and as the years go.

My fear is that healthy people with really good immune systems are going to be compromised and there's no turning back after the jab.

Why aren't the government doing press conferences telling people to eat healthily and exercise, lose weight etc.

Why aren't there any counter arguments to the Vaccination success stories. There's a lot of vaccine injured people out there. Why is there no voice for those people.
 
I cannot quite believe Hayden Coulson he had A virus last summer and it cost him dear - getting COVID may well have cost him his last chance at a Boro career under Warnock at Boro. He surely would have taken some part at Fulham.
 
I had something a few weeks ago which made me poorly for about 8 days. Shivers, loss of taste, headache , aching joints,.sore throat.

The fever gradually subsided and about 12 days from start to finish I was back to normal again.

Whatever it was that I had wasn't very pleasant, but I just stayed at home and didn't see a soul apart from facetime.

Hopefully they won't make it a mandatory vaccination because I am very wary of how fast they pushed this whole thing through.

I know something had to be done because a lot of people are petrified, but it's getting to the point where people are being ostracised by family and friends because they decide not to get jabbed.. For all we know,.this could be the biggest ticking time bomb to ever hit the world and as the years go.

My fear is that healthy people with really good immune systems are going to be compromised and there's no turning back after the jab.

Why aren't the government doing press conferences telling people to eat healthily and exercise, lose weight etc.

Why aren't there any counter arguments to the Vaccination success stories. There's a lot of vaccine injured people out there. Why is there no voice for those people.

Vaccines as a whole are very well understood - even the new mRNA type of vaccine have been developed and tested for close to a decade I believe, it is just that this is the first time that we have had to use them in anger.

It is also important to understand that vaccines aren't considered medication in the same way that drugs are, they are simply designed to stimulate your bodies immune system in a harmless/less harmful way so that it is prepared to fight the actual virus in the future if needed. So when people talk about "long-term side effects" they aren't talking about issues that could suddenly appear in a years time, or 5 years time... they're talking about something that could happen as an almost immediate (within a week or so maybe?) response to getting the vaccine which could affect you for the long-term - for example, a stroke as a direct result of getting the vaccine could be a long-term side effect.

This is different to how your body might react to prolonged usage of some drugs. You could become more susceptible to strokes after prolonged use of a particular drug, which could be considered a side effect of taking them long term - which is why these drugs need to be tested over a much longer period, whereas vaccines don't have that risk.

In addition to that - these vaccines haven't been rushed through, and there is endless information out there detailing the process and how it was able to be sped up without compromising safety. If you are still not accepting/understanding of that then I'm not sure anyone could convince you otherwise.

As for "healthy people with really good immune systems"... firstly there are plenty of people who may consider themselves healthy who really aren't, so the message should just be to get your jab because it is better safe than sorry. Secondly, there are plenty of people who are healthy who have ended up really poorly and it is impossible to predict.

I haven't seen anything about "vaccine injured" people, which you could argue backs up your point, but the way that the media have been covering the whole pandemic makes me think that if there was even a sniff of the vaccine being unsafe or unfit for use, it would be all over the news and we'd definitely know about it.
 
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