Villa bid for Morgan Rogers

[Juninhoburger]

£10m and he goes I reckon

(£7m probably including add-ons. A loan back until the end of the season would be nice)

 

[MichaelDebeve]

Aaaaway Michael, this isn't a bloody ebay auction you know!

Listen, if he can get numbers of around 19 goals in 40 games, then you the math, thats a goal a game.

Then the auction starts!

 

[goalscrounger]

He's got years left on his contract, he could be 24 with no 1st team football for 3 years by the time his contact ends if he decides to play hardball.

He could be 24 with no first team football for 3 years if he signs for Villa.

 

[B_G]

£5m is just ridiculous for a young player on a 4-year contract.
£10m minimum and we should be looking for £15m+ with addons.

£15m+ is pie in the sky. That's Hackney's value. £15-20m. Rogers is nowhere near that. If we get £10m we'll have done well. I think we will consider anything around £7m+

 

[MickaelDebevePhenomenal]

How much did Ramsey go to Burnley for? £20 million?? I'd have that very much as a starting point.

 

[theredrooster]

£5m is just ridiculous for a young player on a 4-year contract.
£10m minimum and we should be looking for £15m+ with addons.

The other issue to consider is what level the Man City sell on clause is at, I'd be very surprised if there isn't one given the relatively low initial fee Rogers was signed for. That will play a big part in the minimum fee we would accept, same as it did for Coventry with the big Swede whose name I (probably) can't spell (Gyokeres).

 

[theredrooster]

How much did Ramsay go to burnley for? £20 million?? I'd have that very much as a starting point.

I thought is was £14m (not sure if that's with or without add ons).

 

[Colgates_shaving_foam]

He could be 24 with no first team football for 3 years if he signs for Villa.

And that is a much better argument to present to him if needed than my punishment argument.

 

[WilliamMunny]

Can’t believe the bottom end of the threshold for “silly money” being considered here is £5m. If “the model” is to get a couple of million profit rather than a significant profit then “the model” is sh*te.

Agree with this 100%.

Rogers is 21 and improving all the time. His potential ceiling is very high, hence a top 4 Premier League team being interested in him. That interest alone automatically inflates his value exponentially. If Villa want a player that could easily be worth £30m+ within 18 months, they're not getting him for c.£5m.

The Ramsay comparisons are valid as well. Villa offloaded a youngster they didn't feel was good enough to break into their first team for £12-14m. He had underwhelmed at Norwich and played well for us in the Championship for 3 months, but was completely unproven at Premier League level. It doesn't matter whether individual Boro fans think Rogers isn't as good as Ramsay, the fact is they have achieved similar things in the Championship at this point. More importantly, Villa didn't want Ramsay whereas we do want Rogers, as he is integral to our chances of getting to a cup final, getting in the playoffs and winning promotion. We do not need money in the bank right now, we need the player. So unless Villa make an offer we cannot refuse, why would we even think about selling now?

As for the player, I doubt he'll throw his toys out of the pram if he's not allowed to leave in the next 10 days, but if he does, more fool him as it will lessen his chances of getting a big move in the summer. Instead he needs to get his head down and play well for the next 4 months and if he does that, Villa will be back in the summer with a bigger bid.

 

[Diego]

Wonder what these bids are. Be interesting to see the numbers offered so far. Feels like it will run and run then he will leave deadline day

 

[Aloc]

I've read on x first bid 5m...second bid 6.5m

 

[dooderooni]

If Villa really want him then make them pay.
If we were to ask £15m and they backed off then anyone coming back in the summer knows the minimum bid is going to be that if they want him.
We have ambitions of joining Villa in the PL, selling players for fees that don't allow us to pursue those ambitions isn't part of the model.
In all fairness to the likes of Rotherham and others, transfers keep them afloat, we have the infrastructure to allow us to aim a bit higher than just existing.

 

[1finny]

Exactly this.

Sunderland have rejected repeated offers for Clarke despite the player wanting a move, this model doesn't work if you sell too soon you have to develop the player to the point where you're not getting £5/6m but you're getting £15/20m

I like this ‘championship clubs hold out all the time’ and the same 1 example gets mentioned

Google crashes……..

 

[BoroMart]

Flattering to be wanted by Villa for sure. But if a top 6 prem side won't bid more than £15m for you, they're almost certainly not buying you to play you.

Spot on. They've got £25m who are on the bench. They want a future investment and that means yes a bit more income but also being sent where ever Villa tell him for 6-12 months at a time and then selling him in 2 or 3 years

I’d be surprised if we would turn down a 10 million bid

Summer would be tough to, we don't need to sell right now, low debts and presumably zero FFP risk , and chances are, we could significantly boost his value with a successful 6 months

We can play hardball too - but we will sell if the price is right, like Brighton did.

I think we can all agree "if the price is right" any player could be sold, we can probably all agree 4 rising to 5 is not the right price.

Honestly 15 million is ridiculous for Rogers.

Of course it's rediculous, but, we should only be entertaining ridiculous offers during the january window, for first team players on long contracts. That's kinda the point, we would only sell on our terms.

Price them out of the market you risk alienating the player, getting nothing when the contract runs out,

thankfully that doesn't apply here, he isn't going to sulk for 3 1/2 years. Maybe 2 weeks max

Sorry to be picky but if Villa want one of our players and they want to go we have no power. They are going.

Of course we do, if they have a long contract. We have negotiating power and villa have FFP restrictions, which is why this probably isn't viable until the summer

Buy cheap, develop (or in this case not) then sell for a profit.

Exactly, but the profit has to be one that allows investment in 2 or 3 more players every time. 4m won't give us enough income to improve the squad from where it is now

We will have interest in the likes of Hackney and Rav in the summer, we need to get used to this.

Indeed, Brighton and Brentford both had years of their best payers being poached from above, but they didn't roll over and have their tummy tickled in negotiations and neither will we,

I've read on x first bid 5m...second bid 6.5m

That's clearly gonna be at least 3m short of temptation

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

He could be 24 with no first team football for 3 years if he signs for Villa.

He could be that here too, or very little.

 

[Nano]

£15m+ is pie in the sky. That's Hackney's value. £15-20m. Rogers is nowhere near that. If we get £10m we'll have done well. I think we will consider anything around £7m+

You are 100% correct that he isn't as good as Hackney and shouldn't command such a big fee but that's not how fees work. £7m might be his true value but why would we sell for that? If we can only get £7m then we keep him. £10m+ and then we consider it but situationally it isn't the best for us to sell in January, £15m+ is bite your hand off territory. He's our player, on a long contract so it has to be worth our while selling.

What they sold Ramsey (and Archer) for is a bit irrelevant because they sold a player they didn't want to a PL team and they included a buy-back clause so if they had a stellar season they could have him back. Without the buy-back clause they would have wanted a higher fee and if someone towards the top of the league instead of the relegation favourites had been after them then the fee would have been higher. They were essentially convoluted loans.

 

[Marvanelli]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1748276874369769480

'Hefty sell on clause' by City.

So no wonder we want big bucks.

 

[MickaelDebevePhenomenal]

Seems strange that we signed Azaz from Villa and this wasn't mentioned at all (or wasn't rumoured to have been) You'd have thought Villa might have kept Azaz and used it as leverage to get the Rogers deal over the line

 

[Rofesleg]

Are some really judging his overall Boro career over half a season? Remember a certain Brazilian who became quite a player who had an average first first half of a season, showing only glimpses of what he can do.

Not really the same situation.
Juninho was Brazilian Footballer of the Year and had Brazilian international caps when we bought him.

 

[Corcaigh_the_Cat]

Exactly, but the profit has to be one that allows investment in 2 or 3 more players every time. 4m won't give us enough income to improve the squad

We don't know what the bid is, at the moment it's below Boro's valuation.

We got him for somewhere around £1m to £1.5m on a 4 year contract. City sold one of his contemporaries for £45m.

We've already improved the squad in his particular role, if the right bid can be negotiated we can perhaps start to look at bringing a striker in.