Villa bid for Morgan Rogers

festa5 said:
Nonsense. Championship clubs hold out all the time. Jack Clarke (for example) would be long gone if they didn't.

Players have a lot of power, but to suggest championship clubs have none is ridiculous.

And you can't negotiate effectively if "no" isn't an option.
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Exactly this.

Sunderland have rejected repeated offers for Clarke despite the player wanting a move, this model doesn't work if you sell too soon you have to develop the player to the point where you're not getting £5/6m but you're getting £15/20m
 
By all accounts Man City are coming in with a bid too.



However, I don't think Manchester City actually want to sign Morgan Rogers, I think what will be going on is Unai Emry has picked up the phone to Pep and said "listen, Villa are going to do the incremental bid approach. If you put a higher bid in that will push my owner"

Happens all the time.
 
InglebyUTB said:
It is but you don't sell at the first sign of interest. Villa's offer was rumoured to be around £4m, which would explain Boro "rejecting it out of hand".

Ideally you develop them and sell them after 2 seasons, when you've had time to develop them, get the benefit from them and they still have 2 years on their contract.

Selling him after 6 months makes zero sense, if we sold at £8m for example he could be worth £15-£20m next season and the same people who are saying "it's the model" will be calling the club all the names under the sun for selling him too cheaply.
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It would make sense if the money bid was enough though. You don't need to give him two seasons worth of wages if the money offered is decent. That's perhaps what Boro are demanding?
 
1finny said:
Sorry to be picky but if Villa want one of our players and they want to go we have no power. They are going.
All we can do is negotiate a good deal

Any player in the championship with a chance to go to Villa have two options.


To hold out for any reason is fraught with risk - injury, or Villa move on.

The vast majority would bite their hands off
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We may as well wrap it in and call it a day finny if our only role within the game is as a rotting corpse that the vultures come and pick over.

Of course we can say fu** off to Villa If they don't meet our valuation. If Rogers wants to be a di** about it, and I in no way think he will by the way, seems an intelligent lad, but we could ruin his career if he wants to mess us about.

He's got years left on his contract, he could be 24 with no 1st team football for 3 years by the time his contact ends if he decides to play hardball.

Of course we have plenty of power in this negotiation.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
It would make sense if the money bid was enough though. You don't need to give him two seasons worth of wages if the money offered is decent. That's perhaps what Boro are demanding?
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Exactly this the "model" isn't time dependent its value based.

The club will have a value assessment, if villa reach that and rogers wants to go, and that's not certain, he will be sold.
 
I'm gutted about this one. I thought Rogers was our best signing of the summer and has bags of potential. Even when we were losing games...

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He offers something completely different to other players in that position - and a natural footballing brain that's difficult to find/buy.
 
Given he was bought so cheaply (I thought it was reported as a free transfer in the summer) then we have to expect Man City are going to get a cut of any future sale so we should have no inclination to sell cheaply and will dig our heels in i would think.
 
VestasBoro said:
Apparently we signed him for between 1m-1.5m, so if they came in with a silly bid of over 5m i think he'll be gone. The lad will clearly want away now if there is any truth in it aswell, so as a club with a serious eye on our finances i think we'd be daft not to sell.
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Can’t believe the bottom end of the threshold for “silly money” being considered here is £5m. If “the model” is to get a couple of million profit rather than a significant profit then “the model” is sh*te.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
It would make sense if the money bid was enough though. You don't need to give them two seasons worth of wages if the money offered is decent. That's perhaps what Boro are demanding?
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You have to back yourself that the talent you've recruited will get better and be worth even more. If someone wants him now after not starting in most of the games then what sort of fee could we get if he plays and develops in the 2nd half the season? You could improve his value by 25-50%.

rWe bought him for £1m, the gamble is worth it especially at the numbers Villa are rumoured to be offering and City could have a sell-on clause.

We will have interest in the likes of Hackney and Rav in the summer, we need to get used to this.
 
Unlike a lot of recent transfers, Djed/Tav/Chuba we hold all the cards here. Just signed on a long deal and we are giving him a platform to perform.

Can't imagine he would play much at Villa. I think Villa maybe see it as a economically valuable signing. I.E sign him, loan him out for a season or two - sell him for twice you paid him for without ever playing him for Villa
 
InglebyUTB said:
We will have interest in the likes of Hackney and Rav in the summer, we need to get used to this.
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Dead right unfortunately - and if this wasnt happening that means the recruitment is rubbish 😂

Brighton are doing the similar approach on a higher value scale, its not just us.
 
Jonathan said:
Can’t believe the bottom end of the threshold for “silly money” being considered here is £5m. If “the model” is to get a couple of million profit rather than a significant profit then “the model” is sh*te.
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Exactly. People don't seem to understand "the model" and just throw the term around.

£5m is a waste of time. It would cost us £2-£3m at least to replace him, and that signing might not be any good.

Where as if you sell a player at say £12m, half goes towards the general running of the club and the other half goes back into recruitment.
 
MichaelDebeve said:
By all accounts Man City are coming in with a bid too.



However, I don't think Manchester City actually want to sign Morgan Rogers, I think what will be going on is Unai Emry has picked up the phone to Pep and said "listen, Villa are going to do the incremental bid approach. If you put a higher bid in that will push my owner"

Happens all the time.
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Aaaaway Michael, this isn't a bloody ebay auction you know! 🤣
 
Jonathan said:
Can’t believe the bottom end of the threshold for “silly money” being considered here is £5m. If “the model” is to get a couple of million profit rather than a significant profit then “the model” is sh*te.
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You're right, i should have said silly was 10m. I think his actual value now is around the 5m mark, but silly yeah i'd say was 10m plus, double what something is worth is probably what i'd class as silly.
 
£5m is just ridiculous for a young player on a 4-year contract.
£10m minimum and we should be looking for £15m+ with addons.
 
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