Villa bid for Morgan Rogers

I’m not sure it’s worth even talking about Ramsey, or even Archer, in regards to them being deemed not good enough or not wanted because realistically if it’s true that Villa are having to be particularly careful with FFP at the moment then selling Ramsey and Archer for the better part of about £40m combined is pure profit and likely the only reason they were sold.
 
This Villa interest could mean a few more clubs take a closer look at him, if we don't sell and he has a good second half of the season his value will grow significantly for maybe a summer sale.
 
Borodrew said:
Some really staggering views on Rogers on here. Genuinely shocked at some of the comments!!

You could see within ten minutes of the lad stepping onto the pitch he was technically superb.

Yes he's raw, and has some ups and downs, but his potential is high.

That touch and lay off for the goal last week was beautiful. Technically superb. He has great feet, quick feet too, can beat a man, a football brain, vision. Will only improve.

Have to take bids over 10 m seriously 😂🤦

In today's market!!?!? You must be kidding. It's not just attributes you can coach like a holding midfielder spraying it side to side. It's creativity and vision And that costs.



English, young, genuinely talented footballer. Reminds me of Dele Ali when he was fresh on the scene.

It genuinely doesn't matter if the end product is not consistent yet, he has all the attributes and has shown in moments, certain games, runs of games that he is a game changer, that he has creative ability.

The hardest things to coach. The consistency comes with game time, development and age.

We shouldn't be considering anything under 20m in my opinion. Because IF he becomes consistent he's worth much more than that in 3-5 years time.

We took the chance on him. We are developing him and giving him an opportunity to make mistakes and improve.

We should then get the significant benefits of that.

Not a pathetic 5-10 profit 5 months later.


Thankfully the club have the same idea I hope with the rejected bid. Even in a years time if he continues how he's going now it's going to be 20m plus if they want him.

If they get offered that now fair enough there's a decision to make.


But not for ten million with a long contract where we can develop him another year and raise that value more without being pressured by a contract expiring.
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absolutely spot on mate. (y)
 
MickaelDebevePhenomenal said:
Seems strange that we signed Azaz from Villa and this wasn't mentioned at all (or wasn't rumoured to have been) You'd have thought Villa might have kept Azaz and used it as leverage to get the Rogers deal over the line
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Only thing I can think of is that we have (seemingly) a good working relationship with Villa.

We may have turned them down flat with a p/x deal with Azaz, but Villa did not act like dicks and still allowed the deal to happen.

So this deal could well have been rumbling in the background for a few weeks for all we know.....it's just now the bids have started to come in.

If City do have a "hefty sell on clause" of say 25% this surely will knock the price up to £12m+? 😳

Suppose even if he did go late on Jan 31st we have plenty of cover in that No 10 position so wouldn't be the end of the world. Disappointing but........ 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
 
TheHolgate said:
This Villa interest could mean a few more clubs take a closer look at him, if we don't sell and he has a good second half of the season his value will grow significantly for maybe a summer sale.
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Yeah I thought this.

It's raising his profile and will make more sides sit up and take notice.

He's also improved a lot in just 6 months I'd say.

All the more reason for us to at least wait till summer unless Villa make a daft offer we can't refuse.
 
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If the outcome was we got £10m (after sell-on fee is accounted for, so say Villa offered £12m?) and a loan back for this season and next - I would take that

It's a hedge against his future potential and injury, with a risk free player for another 18 months. He'll get the money, we get the player determined to show his worth. I think everyones a winner
 
Villa fan I know reckons we have asked for £15million and loan back until end of season.
 
festa5 said:
He's also improved a lot in just 6 months I'd say.
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He seems to have really kicked on since the Exeter away game for me. Becoming more influential in games and the lapses of concentration and careless moments are becoming less frequent. Would love to keep him for a further 18 months and see how he develops by playing every week and becoming the fulcrum of the side
 
Nano said:
You are 100% correct that he isn't as good as Hackney and shouldn't command such a big fee but that's not how fees work. £7m might be his true value but why would we sell for that? If we can only get £7m then we keep him. £10m+ and then we consider it but situationally it isn't the best for us to sell in January, £15m+ is bite your hand off territory. He's our player, on a long contract so it has to be worth our while selling.

What they sold Ramsey (and Archer) for is a bit irrelevant because they sold a player they didn't want to a PL team and they included a buy-back clause so if they had a stellar season they could have him back. Without the buy-back clause they would have wanted a higher fee and if someone towards the top of the league instead of the relegation favourites had been after them then the fee would have been higher. They were essentially convoluted loans.
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Players have a value. If a player is towards the end of a contract then a club may not achieve the full value. However having time left on a contract doesn't increase the value of the player (apart from maybe very special individual talents where there aren't really other options. Like Mbappe, Haaland etc.).

Having time on a contract helps a club achieve their full valuation or maybe push a little bit extra. But it doesn't make a £7mil player worth £20mil.
If we sell him I think it will be for £7-10m and I think that would be good business.
 
Priv said:
Villa fan I know reckons we have asked for £15million and loan back until end of season.
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In my mind, before I stared reading this thread and posts on Twitter, this was the type of valuation we should be looking for. If it is going to happen, I would rather it happens now to free up funds for a striker (which is the missing piece of the jigsaw). Worst case would be deadline day and no chance to get a striker in.
 
I missed this last night. Utterly bizarre for a player who was a freebie, and who has shown flashes of talent but is still finding his feet at Championship level and would only have been on the fringes of our team had it not been for injuries.

I just don't get it.

I quite like what I have seen from Rodgers in patches only. But when McGree is back, does Rodgers even get into the team?
 
The fee needs to take into account a probable sell on fee to City, nuisance value (we were never planning on selling him in this window), and his intangible potential!

God knows what number that spits out, but 15 mill and a loan back would do me!
 
Wonder if we will get ‘ Rogers isn’t in right frame of mind’ for the game tomorrow.

Hopefully not
 
Steer said:
I missed this last night. Utterly bizarre for a player who was a freebie, and who has shown flashes of talent but is still finding his feet at Championship level and would only have been on the fringes of our team had it not been for injuries.

I just don't get it.

I quite like what I have seen from Rodgers in patches only. But when McGree is back, does Rodgers even get into the team?
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Spot on.
 
An unwelcome and unsettling distraction this all is as we build up to next week's semi and the important championship games in the next few weeks inc Sunderland a week on Sunday.
 
Apart from the wages he would be much better advised becoming an established player at the Boro and then looking to step up.

The other thing is that Villa are very much the current model club but there is little to suggest they will be able to sustain that challenge to the top four for very long, if Rogers progresses well then he could have the pick of one of the elite money clubs.

I think it’s a bit of a strange one for a player yet to nail down a place in a Championship team but good for the Boro that premier clubs are circling our talent must mean they are doing something right.
 
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