Tories Existential Crisis looming

[Ziggy]

It wasn’t just that. Anti-EU sentiment goes back to the early 90’s. The likes of Murdoch hated the EU as he had no influence. He tried to push Major to leave, but Major was a politician with a bit of wisdom, who didn’t act in his own interest like Johnson and Co.

Brexit is a myth created by people with wealth. Talk about rubbish often enough and people start believing it. I find it staggering still that people think Britain couldn’t create its own laws while in the EU. Or that Britain just had to accept EU directives with no input. Britain was one of the biggest contributors to loads of EU directives.

It was a well organised and directed coup. Lots of money changed hands.
If people didn’t learn from all of that the kind of country we live in…they never will.
52-48. Total BS. It was always going to take sometime for the full effects to kick in, because of the transition period, it’s only been really 2 years and now becomes apparent what we did.
First country ever who voted to make themselves poorer.

 

[Soutra]

As nice as it would be if the tory party withered and disappeared I have to say I think there's a bit of wishful thinking/short memories going on here.

The different factions of their party really aren't all that ideological or unwilling to go along with each other.

Remember tory leaders like Cameron and May - who some one would probably call "one nation" now - were still happy to kill hundreds of thousands with austerity, campaign on reducing immigration to <100k, have the hostile environment vans patrolling streets, and hold the EU referendum in the first place.

And supposedly further right leaders like Johnson still happy to implement the furlough scheme during covid, campaign on building new hospitals, etc.

No policy matters to them anything like as much as money and power do.

But they were in power then. After a huge election defeat the various factions will pull apart in opposition, blaming each other. If there's a way back I don't see it.

 

[Nero]

It was a well organised and directed coup. Lots of money changed hands.
If people didn’t learn from all of that the kind of country we live in…they never will.
52-48. Total BS. It was always going to take sometime for the full effects to kick in, because of the transition period, it’s only been really 2 years and now becomes apparent what we did.
First country ever who voted to make themselves poorer.

Completely agree. Cameron complicit too, as the referendum itself was terribly and I suspect, deliberately badly worded and organised.

5 different areas voted. 3 of them voted remain. British people living on the continent couldn’t vote, young people didn’t get a say. It was a stitch up.

 

[Caesium137]

Completely agree. Cameron complicit too, as the referendum itself was terribly and I suspect, deliberately badly worded and organised.

5 different areas voted. 3 of them voted remain. British people living on the continent couldn’t vote, young people didn’t get a say. It was a stitch up.

I think the main cōck up was it just being a yes or no. It should have been a well and thoroughly researched commission (non-political no Murdoch or Putin interference) for a year or so and presented four or so options ;from go fully in and take on the Euro, joint armed forces etc. all the way to pull out hard Brexit back to LSD (or the groat) and we all travel by horse and cart into the sun lit uplands boIIocks.

Obviously the powers that wanted their tax havens and an erosion of working rights etc. wouldn't have wanted this though.

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

I think it is an existential crisis for the Tories. They are stuck between a rock and a hard place. Move left to appease some centre ground Tories and they hemorrhage votes to Reform. Move right to head off Reform and they'll hemorrhage votes to Labour.

The only way forward would be to show they've been massively successful over the last 10 years, when they've been disastrously bad.

I think it's likely the C&U party will fracture into several parties. Some of the further right will go to Reform, and some of the centre will become a One Nation Conservative party. In between will be a mixture of liberal Tories and green Tories and unionists.

Maybe Sunak will be the last Tory PM, I don't see how they come back from the brink.

Great post Soutra.
This is what I was trying to say.
The reason I think, this fracture is emerging is because it stems a long way back to the referendum; Cameron (solid right winger himself & a cnut) caved in to the HARD right wing to hang on to power; by saying he’d give them a referendum on the eu if they voted for him in 2010,
Then, naively he was upstaged by Cummings tactical nous to find a chink in the psyche of millions of English voters.
The Tories shifted too far to the Right from the referendum and have never been able to pull it back as droves of one nation mps left in 2019.
Up steps Boris and the idiots like Richard right wing Holden and as their demise draws closer; it’s all very deserving given the Brexit deal they imposed on us all (super cnuts) and the state of the country and public services..…
To fracture them and render them useless for the future is reassuring indeed - you pack of traitor filled lying barstewards.

 

[Ex Footy Legs]

It was a well organised and directed coup. Lots of money changed hands.
If people didn’t learn from all of that the kind of country we live in…they never will.
52-48. Total BS. It was always going to take sometime for the full effects to kick in, because of the transition period, it’s only been really 2 years and now becomes apparent what we did.
First country ever who voted to make themselves poorer.

Ziggy, good post.
Not enough, seemingly ‘intelligent’ people understand they have stuffed the next generation (their kids!)
My ex brother in law; electrical engineer no less but rabid brexiteer suddenly….utterly clueless and I used to respect him. I’m not nasty or rude to him but he he ever asked me for my opinion I’d tell him that people like him got duped and now haven’t got the individual character to recognise they may of just damaged their country for a long time