Think ive finally accepted we are a champo club

Nano said:
This is part of the perception problem. The playoffs make it seem like everyone has a chance which keeps the championship interesting but the reality is that the best teams get promoted. If you aren't good enough to challenge for the automatics then you probably aren't getting promoted.

There hasn't been a 6th place team promoted in the last 10 years. Can't even find when it was. There's only been 3 6th placed team that have even made the final.

This is why I am much less pleased than others on here by this season's performance. I don't see scraping into the playoffs as a good season. Last season we had a brief flirtation with the autos and we should have been building on that and not being content with "only being 3 points off the playoffs". We're 11/1 for promotion which suggests that from this position we'd expect to be promoted once every 12 years which is nothing to be excited about.
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It's stating the obvious that the team who finished 3rd is better than the team who finished 4th, and they're better than the team who finished 5th, etc...

The aim of the game is to improve...

Luton finished 6th in 2021/22 - Finished 3rd the next season and got promoted.
Bournemouth finished 6th in 2022/21 - Finished 2nd the next season and got promoted.
Fulham finished 6th in 2016/17 - Finished 3rd the next season and got promoted.

Also, with the exception of finishing 6th (no promotions in ten years), the other three positions are pretty evenly matched...
3rd (4 promotions), 4th (3 promotions), 5th (3 promotions), so there is always "a chance", which is always a reason to get excited - otherwise, what's the point?
 
I keep having the same thoughts about where we are at.
Everybody aspires to be in the Prem. But the money required to stay there is astronomical. We can only hope to survive each season. Then we are only capable of matching those at the bottom of the league unless huge sums of money are spent - exceptions happen like Leicester but after winning the prem they struggled until eventually being relegated.
Last season was the first season in years that I genuinely looked forward to the match.

'That' season we had in the prem was the worst I have endured as a fan and my last season as a season ticket holder. It was just awful. That one season injected a lot of money into the club but is that what we can realistically hope for? Promotion to the prem to reap the rewards that then keep the club afloat for the next 5 or 10 years in the champo?

Villa spring to mind as a club that got promotion and then flourished and started to compete at the top. But look at their owners and look at the money that has gone into players.
For every team that spends fortunes and succeeds, how many fail? Just what will happen to Forest if they go down if you consider the money they has spent?

FFP was supposed to prevent teams spending more than they can afford but the rules arent being applied. Otherwise, Man City would be in the National League along with Forest, Brighton....etc etc
 
Jedi boro said:
Where were Brighton and Brentford in 2009 ??!
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In the 08/09 season... Brighton finished 16th in League One. Brentford were promoted as champions of League Two.

Bournemouth finished 21st in League Two, and Luton got relegated, finishing bottom of League Two.
 
Ash88 said:
In the 08/09 season... Brighton finished 16th in League One. Brentford were promoted as champions of League Two.

Bournemouth finished 21st in League Two, and Luton got relegated, finishing bottom of League Two.
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Exactly so contrasting our placing in 2009 to somehow justify this odd view of our natural order is ludicrous.
 
r00fie1 said:
Being promoted when the club isn't ready isn't a great idea.
We weren't properly ready after Karanka`s promotion and the last thing any Boro fan wants is to get promoted and be constantly humiliated, like Burnley, Luton, and Sheffield United.
Unless Steve Gibson finds a pot of gold at the end of the rainbow, we're having to rebuild from the ground up.
Football in England is now so skewed by foreign tyrants investment and hedge-funders that the league system is no longer doing what it was meant to do.
For me, the Premier League can go down to ten clubs who play each other four times each in a season and fly off to the moon.
Go to four Divisions, include three-up, three-down from the National League and start again.
Just a Sunday - morning breakfast time idea?
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Like it roofie
 
“Being promoted when the club isn't ready isn't a great idea.”

What does this mean you mention forest who bought about 50 players when they went up so how can any side ever be ready ??

We drew with Chelsea and almost took villa to a goal less draw a feat no prem side could do until last week so what does that say.

What is ready???
 
We'll get another go at the PL before too long. We have a young, talented side that - with a regular injury list - would be in the playoffs. FFP concerns are receding too so we can be a bit freer in the transfer market. Think we'll look very good next season personally.
 
I don’t agree that we weren’t ready back in AK days. I think we were but our recruitment was shambolic.

That January transfer window was huge. We signed Gestede, Bamford and Guediora. Our fate was as good as sealed from that moment. Karanka knew it too. He was pretty critical of the signings we brought in, and a few weeks later he was gone.

Off the field decisions for the next couple of years (in the transfer market and managerial) set us back years.

It now feels like Carrick has finally turned the boat around. I think we’ll be close this year but consistently dropping points against dross like Rotherham (albeit on the wrong end of a number of poor refereeing decisions) isn’t good enough.

Anything this season is a bonus. I reckon next season is the time - hopefully not giving the division 10 games head start too.
 
On The Bob said:
I don’t agree that we weren’t ready back in AK days. I think we were but our recruitment was shambolic.

That January transfer window was huge. We signed Gestede, Bamford and Guediora. Our fate was as good as sealed from that moment. Karanka knew it too. He was pretty critical of the signings we brought in, and a few weeks later he was gone.

Off the field decisions for the next couple of years (in the transfer market and managerial) set us back years.

It now feels like Carrick has finally turned the boat around. I think we’ll be close this year but consistently dropping points against dross like Rotherham (albeit on the wrong end of a number of poor refereeing decisions) isn’t good enough.

Anything this season is a bonus. I reckon next season is the time - hopefully not giving the division 10 games head start too.
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One of the biggest errors during AK tenure was ripping apart the promotion side. They had brilliant camaraderie which was destroyed. The January window was them a disaster for the club.
 
HolgateCorner said:
There were some odd signings that season, really really odd.
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Don’t forget for all his moaning about the dross we did sign in jan karankas targets especially his obsession with Jesse and bojan would have been no better.

But gestede made no sense he wasn’t even cheap either.
 
Jedi boro said:
The mercenaries ( as that’s all they were) killed the team spirit that got us up.
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Yes.

I think if everyone was given their time again things would have gone very differently. The club were obviously so desperate to be back in the big they threw money at players who weren't suitable to the team we'd built.

Karanka recognises his fault in the situation. His various strops broke trust with Gibson and he's since realised with other owners that he didn't know how good he had it.

I'd have happily taken a relegation with a similar team that got us up and then Karanka having another go in 2017/18. Instead everyone fell out and we ended up with Monk, Braithwaite and then Pulis.
 
Nero said:
One of the biggest errors during AK tenure was ripping apart the promotion side. They had brilliant camaraderie which was destroyed. The January window was them a disaster for the club.
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Clayton in b and q remember
 
LaPennaBianca said:
Yes.

I think if everyone was given their time again things would have gone very differently. The club were obviously so desperate to be back in the big they threw money at players who weren't suitable to the team we'd built.

Karanka recognises his fault in the situation. His various strops broke trust with Gibson and he's since realised with other owners that he didn't know how good he had it.

I'd have happily taken a relegation with a similar team that got us up and then Karanka having another go in 2017/18. Instead everyone fell out and we ended up with Monk, Braithwaite and then Pulis.
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Don’t forget Agnew
 
HolgateCorner said:
There were some odd signings that season, really really odd.
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In part, some of that sits with Karanka too. Some of the Spanish lads were simply not good enough and caused a huge split in the dressing room.

What still annoys me to this day is we messed about keeping Agnew in charge once AK went. We should have recruited a replacement, give him time to work out what he wanted to do with the squad for the following season. We still had a chance of staying up too.

The appointment of Garry Monk was a terrible one. It just sent us spiralling into bad decision after bad decision, and we spunked a load of money on really poor players.
 
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