The tories weaponising ULEZ

LaPennaBianca said:
I live in a ULEZ area and literally nobody cares. It is an insane scare story that, once introduced, everyone will forget about as it isn't actually that onerous.

As stated above, air pollution is killing children - weigh that up against people 'who need a car for work' and make your choice.
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They're trying to make it a national issue.
It's not.
It effects a small percentage of the country.
Nobody cares, apart from the RW grifters and their moronic following.
 
sherlock1969 said:
Bottom line is something needs to be done about London's air quality.

Look here:

addresspollution.org

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What are you breathing? Get a free Air Quality report for your address. See if it exceeds World Health Organization limits for clean air. #addresspollution
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You can search by postcode, score goes from 0 - 100, lowest is best. I did our address here in Northumberland, score was 7. I picked a central London postcode to check, score was 99.

People should not have to live in that much pollution.
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I've just done that. My score is 31 and has an amber label to it.

BUT - I live in the country in Suffolk, 4 miles from the nearest town and on a B road that gets a medium/light traffic flow. So, either this programme is so sensitive that its picking up some local farting pigs or its accuracy needs to be questioned.
 
Craggsy2 said:
Clearly you have NEVER lived in London. You are confusing Inner and Outer London. In Sutton where I live the only other option to a car is a limited bus service. Come down and see what I mean if you think all London drivers are d**heads.
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I should have clarified, I meant Inner London.
 
It's taken a lot of time, money and controversy to arrive at this juncture.

The most polluting vehicles should be managed out of existence through the gradual lowering of allowable emissions over a period of years.

For those who still wish to run them, they ought to be hit with a surcharge on their car tax. Enough to negate the need to deploy the expensive whole charging ecosystem that is springing into existence. Total waste of energy and materials.
 
BiggEggo said:
For those who still wish to run them, they ought to be hit with a surcharge on their car tax. Enough to negate the need to deploy the expensive whole charging ecosystem that is springing into existence. Total waste of energy and materials.
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There is isn't there, the whole VED structure is based on emissions - hence why bikes would pay nothing, even if they were included.
 
Gordy1000 said:
I've just done that. My score is 31 and has an amber label to it.

BUT - I live in the country in Suffolk, 4 miles from the nearest town and on a B road that gets a medium/light traffic flow. So, either this programme is so sensitive that its picking up some local farting pigs or its accuracy needs to be questioned.
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It will tell you which indicators are exceeded. What does it say?
 
Jedi boro said:
We bumped into a lad from London when we were in South America and that all he talked about as you say he was not a fan at all
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A friend of mine has had to sell a perfectly good car in great condition, which was supposed to be a cleaner car for emissions (VW with Bluemotion technology), for under what was market value and spend a fortune on a car he didn't want, to avoid being hit by the ULEZ tax as it didn't meet standards. He's fuming. The monthly payments on his new car are big, but he uses the car every day and in a month of 31 days, he'd have been paying £387.50 a month to use his older one.

£387.50 a month!! let that sink in for people who are not as lucky financially to be able to go replace their car and rely on it for work etc!

Contrary to what people outside of London think, the public transport in some outer London boroughs are not great! For example. I'm 2 miles from my nearest tube station, and 3 and a half miles from my nearest mainline station. Where I live has 1 bus service that goes near (not to) a tube. And I need to get 2 buses to the local mainline station into London, and I'm within the M25.
 
Anton_Berg said:
Has anyone noticed a London ULEZ- scrappage effect on the used car market in Teesside? Are compliant cars going up in price; non-compliant going down?
Should be some bargains if you don't mind a 520 mile round trip to deliver/collect.
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That's exactly what I intend to do if they change the emissions standard to Euro 7 in 2025 as planned, which will probably mean my currently compliant car, probably won't be. Drive up north, sell it where ULEZ isn't an issue for more than I'd get here, then buy a new one which meets standards and drive back.
 
London_Boro said:
A friend of mine has had to sell a perfectly good car in great condition, which was supposed to be a cleaner car for emissions (VW with Bluemotion technology), for under what was market value and spend a fortune on a car he didn't want, to avoid being hit by the ULEZ tax as it didn't meet standards. He's fuming. The monthly payments on his new car are big, but he uses the car every day and in a month of 31 days, he'd have been paying £387.50 a month to use his older one.

£387.50 a month!! let that sink in for people who are not as lucky financially to be able to go replace their car and rely on it for work etc!

Contrary to what people outside of London think, the public transport in some outer London boroughs are not great! For example. I'm 2 miles from my nearest tube station, and 3 and a half miles from my nearest mainline station. Where I live has 1 bus service that goes near (not to) a tube. And I need to get 2 buses to the local mainline station into London, and I'm within the M25.
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Ella Kissi-Debrah's life was worth more than your mate's car and every car in London.
 
LaPennaBianca said:
Ella Kissi-Debrah's life was worth more than your mate's car and every car in London.
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I'm not opposed to the idea of ULEZ, but my point is that the cost is restrictive for many and has been introduced far to quickly for people to adapt, and the public transport system in outer boroughs is not up to what's required to do away with your car.
 
London_Boro said:
I'm not opposed to the idea of ULEZ, but my point is that the cost is restrictive for many and has been introduced far to quickly for people to adapt, and the public transport system in outer boroughs is not up to what's required to do away with your car.
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It's either this imperfect policy or nothing. So while I have sympathy for your pal and his plight, and agree that there could be a better approach to implementation, he is unfortunately one of this policy's losers. Every policy has them.

You make a good point about public transport in outer boroughs. Ideally this will help improve that.
 
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