ForssAwakens
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Shall we just wait and find out on the off chance thousand of scientists are wrong?
The Hot Weather Madness
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TheBoroBuzzard
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Funky_Chicken
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They don’t all agree on this at all - As I’ve said earlier if they were so concerned why didn’t they act on it in the 70’s when it might have had an effect on stopping us reaching a crisis point. As it is it’ll probably take decades to get to net zero carbon, and with China having no interest in taking part anything we do will be negligible
ForssAwakens
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I didn’t say they did.
‘A 2019 review of scientific papers found the consensus on the cause of climate change to be at 100%, and a 2021 study concluded that over 99% of scientific papers agree on the human cause of climate change. Papers that disagreed with the consensus either cannot be replicated or contain errors.’ Source Wikipedia
They’ve been warning government to act since the 70’s. Governments have buried their head in the sands to ‘keep the economy alive’ and ‘drive gdp’
Colgates_shaving_foam
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Perhaps they didn't act on it on the 70s because the overwhelming majority of people in the world had the same view that you still hold?
Now the vast majority realise we need urgent action to save as many lives as possible.
There's still a few flat earthers around, howling at the moon but that's always going to be the case. They just have more of a platform nowadays with social media instead of being sat in their own p*ss in the corner of the social club chuntering on.
Andy_W
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They didn’t have the technology we do now, to study it, compute it, realise it and solve it, especially during a population boom in the developed world.
FabioPorkpie
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Fabio doesn't work like that.
Haven't you heard? He's the oracle of all things climate related and covid related and an international finance expert and a guru when it comes to American presidents. His news is the only news that counts.
Back on topic. Whilst not really a fan of working in the heat I do enjoy the time outside when I'm not. It's a rare treat in this windy, rainy, cold and miserable climate.
Randy… well that’s a bit rude. Clearly I get under your skin, which I’m sorry about.
I know sweet eff all about American politics and have never professed to. Rarely get involved in that discussion as completely out of my depth, so it’s weird you get onto that. Same for finance/economy type stuff. It’s all way above my head, but I do like learning about it from some of the other more knowledgeable posters on here.
I know it gets your back up when people countered the misinformation or thoughts you‘d inadvertently share around covid, or call out the social media grifters or alternative news outlets you follow and hang your hat on, but honestly, I’ve been really patient and engaged politely with you for the best part of two years because I’m sure you are actually a well meaning nice guy, just a bit misguided, in my opinion.
I don’t profess to be clever at all. I was one of the few that took the time to listen to you and Alvez at the start of covid and take onboard your arguments. I dipped a toe in the rabbit hole, listening to what the likes of Heneghan and Gupta had to say, and even fell for Yeadon as a voice worth hearing in the very early days.
When ALL of their predictions and claims were proven to be spectacularly wrong over the first few months of covid, and the GBD crowd were exposed for what they were, I realised what their game was and apologised on here for having been manipulated into spreading their word. For some reason, a few on here forgave them of all their misgivings, despite there being no secret that they were proven massively wrong, very publicly, by their own statements and predictions. I think maybe you carried on listening to them and got further into the connected group of misinformants. Even when I gave you a link to a specific timeline of their many proven incorrect claims, I think it was ignored. Why would anybody not just at least look and think ‘oh yeah, they very confidently said this would happen and it didn’t. Several times. So I should probably stop listening to them so much now, or at least take what they say with a pinch of salt. Maybe these scientists who have come from nowhere, aren’t quite the experts TalkRadio and GBNews and they themselves, keep telling me they are’.
I then took a real interest in the whole misinformation world.
Without knowing yours or Funky’s social media profile, I guarantee I could list at least a dozen of the biggest and most exposed con artists, antivax shills, misinformation lobby groups etc out there, and you’d be following them or have linked stuff to them previously. When you’ve linked stuff to them on here over the course of the pandemic, I’ve just tried to highlight why you need to take the blinkers off a little bit and be more aware of the manipulation you are victim to. But like a kid with his fingers in his ears, you give it ‘nah nah nah’ and never once actually engaged properly or comeback to the facts or discussion that doesn’t align with your warped and misguided view of things, or even acknowledge that maybe some of us who have tried really hard, might have had a point sometimes? It’s normally just met with silence.
It‘s not nice to be wrong or victim of manipulation and it’s even harder to admit it to yourself. I’ve been there!
I’ve tried to to help you, because frankly, I have some pity for those who have fallen victim to the misinformation wars. Mainly though, I absolutely hate the folk who are monetising it, making decent folk like yourself get stuck in a rabbit hole and sowing division and discourse while undermining legitimate science.
So that’s why I counter some of the guff you propagate on a public forum, with the facts or truth or added context, or I try and highlight where you can find more information. I don’t think I’ve gone down the route of ridicule, but I’m sorry if I have. I’ve certainly tried not to, but sometimes it’s hard to understand how people are taking global health emergency advice from a pub landlord (Brooks) who nobody has ever heard of, over public health experts who have dedicated their life’s study and work to the relevant science and data. Can you see how that is difficult to square?
And I’m not a clever bloke, never claim to be. You don’t need to be clever to get out of the rabbit hole but you do need to wise up a bit and ask yourself questions like ‘why (and how) does Adam Brooks follow 90 thousand odd people on Twitter. Why does James Melville? (Just using Melville and Brooks as examples, cos they are currently popular ones.) Who were these people and where were they before the pandemic? How come they are now appearing on right wing propaganda vehicle guff like GBNews and Talkradio? Are they now making money from media appearances? Are they on tv because of their expertise? Are they qualified to talk about this topic, or are they just sharing a contrarian view for attention? Did they build up a following by telling legitimately worried people what they wanted to hear? Covid isn’t a big deal, climate change isn’t real etc. Why do they all hang around together with John Mappin, the U.K. QANON big cheese. Why are the people who shouted loudest for Brexit, also the people who told me covid wasn’t going to be a big deal, and that climate change won’t be a problem? Would they have been telling me that cigarettes are fine 20 years ago? Why have some of the few scientists who have very publicly made contrarian claims regarding climate change science, been subsequently found to be funded by big fossil fuel companies? Etc These people are all linked. Look at the gatherings they have, look at who platforms them. They are all one mob, linked closely to antivax lobbying groups that masquerade as scientific research organisations like HART. All the info to highlight what these people are all about is out there. You just need to see it with an open mind and it becomes clear.
Anyway, sorry if you feel like I’m a smart ****, cos I’m really not. Pretty dumb actually, but that’s ok. There are also lots of times on here where I’ve learnt stuff, or been schooled by someone with much greater knowledge than I have about a topic, or been wrong, and I’ve often acknowledged that at the time. Or I’ve got too excitable and been rude and apologised.
You don’t need to be clever to see through the current misinformation peddlers and understand how they are making money out of their social media presence, and how they get their followings. Sometimes we do need a little help with being pointed in the right direction though. That’s because they are really good at what they do, they are encouraged and backed to do it, because it’s big money and it keeps the divide and conquer/contrarian play of the right wing active.
And I’m sorry if you think I’m following you around. I’m not, it’s just that you happened to (unwittingly) post the most subtle misinformation around covid and the deliberately misdirecting guff peddled by the grifters and people monetising contrarian views. I’ll always try and counter lies and misinformation or arguments that have been taken straight from those groups and associated individuals, and posted on here by decent folk who are doing so in good faith, but are misguided. Some stuff isn’t about just having different opinions.
If you ignore everything else in this ramble, the most important bit that I hope you see, is that it is not just a case of debating over different opinions sometimes. Data and science with context, means some stuff is verifiably black or white, right or wrong, and needs to be called out as such.
Especially when the grifters take legitimate data and deliberately chop bits of it, remove content and context, then misrepresent it. Joel Smalley and Clare Craig are imfamous for this. They know completely what they are doing. It’s devious, malicious and despicable. They don’t believe the things they are presenting. They are just taking advantage of the likes of us, who haven’t time to check the full data or read the actual study that they’ve manipulated, or find the full context. They make their little charts and graphs and pump them out onto social media as fast as they can, for the naive and innocent to spread. By the time it’s picked up and scientifically destroyed with the full datasets and context, it’s too late. The damage is done as 1000s of completely innocent folk (and 1000s of malicious folk/bots) have shared it across Facebook.
Anyway, sorry for the long email. I’ve held my tongue and tried to be polite for so long but I think it’s only fair that I at least tell you why I have such an issue with a lot of the stuff you post. If I didn’t think you would one day see through the bs, I’d not bother.
I genuinely hope that one day you see why others see the innocent spread and propagation of misinfo as such a big deal, and spend time countering it.
Maybe we should just put each other on ignore. If I do ever find myself in your pub I’ll buy you a pint and I think if we were to sit down across a table, I think we’d be able to have a discussion in a much more agreeable way and I reckon you’d see I’m not the type you think I am. I’d rather discuss top 5 cheeses and talk about beer and football than this kind of stuff. Then we could get hammered and have a wrestle in the beer garden (Baggsy I’m Big Poppa Pump..) before skipping home together happily, to our wives and kids. To get told off.
A lot gets lost in text and I realise that stuff that is well intentioned can come across as patronising, for which I’m sorry.
In the meantime, I wish you the best of luck with the whole rabbit hole escaping stuff
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Randy
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And you think the media aren't making money when they post outrageous scaremongering stories? Bad news sells more than good news a Fabio. I don't have a problem with you, and for the record I don't follow any of the names you mentioned or bring up in other threads. It's mostly, music, sports, food and drink and video game profiles.
FabioPorkpie
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No I completely agree the MSM are terrible and misrepresent a lot of things too, and print fearporn. I’ve never denied that. In fact, it’s discussed all the time on here in regards to media coverage of politics, which is where it’s done most often. But that doesn’t mean that everything they print is a conspiracy theory or printed to control us.
You do mention some of those names though, I’ve got to call you out on that. You’ve asked why I have a problem with Gupta before, you‘ve mentioned Adam Brooks, you’ve defended HART members, you’ve linked to Heneghan multiple times. Anyway, let’s not got down that path now.
Water under the bridge innit.It‘s the weekend! Time to enjoy the sunshine
Although I’ve been at work 4 hrs already 
Stay safe in the kitchen. Put your boxers and a vest in the freezer in preparation..
Peace and love
Linny
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Because there was more attitudes like yours around back then. The “who cares I’ll be dead by then” approach.
Thankfully more people have been educated on the subject over the past 50 years
italianjob
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It's only for a couple of days. If it was for 1 months continuously then I could understand it.
Randy
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Attitudes like mine?Because there was more attitudes like yours around back then. The “who cares I’ll be dead by then” approach.
Thankfully more people have been educated on the subject over the past 50 years
Care to share what they are? Quote me where I've said I don't care I'll be dead by then? I'll wait, you'll be searching for a while.
I recycle, I pay extra on my gas and electric direct debit, I sold my diesel car for a petrol one and I've got a 50 litre conpost bin down the side of my house.
What were you doing 40 years ago, with your back boilers, leaded petrol cars, coal fired power stations and ozone killing gases?
Funky_Chicken
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We, the people, don’t have a say in it though, we just all do as those in control tell us to do on the whole
Osboro
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Who are they and what are there motives?I’m just not as gullible as somebe honest, if you didn’t have access to tv, radio and news outlets would you really think there was much difference between now and when you were born ? I’ve seen droughts, big freezes, floods, the lot, they come an go - i remember in the 70’s when they started with all this they called it “global warming” then they altered it to “climate change” to cover all bases (very clever that one) we aren’t going to change anything no matter what we do - i say we party on dude
Funky_Chicken
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If you go to Davos next January you’ll see most of the feckers there when they all rock up in their private jets - their motives are most often ££££££££ along with figuring out how best to control us plebs
Jonny_Rondos_Disco_pants
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Talking of halfwits on GBeebies news (Brooks and Melville), did anyone see Bev Turnips conversation with a meteorologist on climate change? How has she got a platform? Completely out if her depth in everything.
www.ladbible.com
GB News Shutting Down Weather Reporter Compared To Scene From Don’t Look Up
Bev Turner was speaking to meteorologist John Hammond, who said the extreme weather we’re currently facing is likely to become more frequent.
www.ladbible.com
FabioPorkpie
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Talking of halfwits on GBeebies news (Brooks and Melville), did anyone see Bev Turnips conversation with a meteorologist on climate change? How has she got a platform? Completely out if her depth in everything.
GB News Shutting Down Weather Reporter Compared To Scene From Don’t Look Up
Bev Turner was speaking to meteorologist John Hammond, who said the extreme weather we’re currently facing is likely to become more frequent.
It’s nuts how all the anti vax, anti mask, anti science ‘freedom fighting’ loons pivoted to climate science denial and anti net zero and anti wef narratives at almost exactly the same time. Then they all turn up at the same parties, and the same garden BBQs at JHBs house etc and they are all chummy with Mappin. Almost as if they are an organised group and their thoughts and narrative are coordinated. Weird huh?
Randy
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On the subject of GB News, which is a hilarious channel to watch by the way, did you know that FMTTM's favourite comedian works with a writer who also writes for the channel?Talking of halfwits on GBeebies news (Brooks and Melville), did anyone see Bev Turnips conversation with a meteorologist on climate change? How has she got a platform? Completely out if her depth in everything.
GB News Shutting Down Weather Reporter Compared To Scene From Don’t Look Up
Bev Turner was speaking to meteorologist John Hammond, who said the extreme weather we’re currently facing is likely to become more frequent.
The more you know, as they say.
Cardiffdaffs
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Fabio. That post has been two years in coming. Thank you for eloquently saying what I have thought for the best part of 27 months.Randy… well that’s a bit rude. Clearly I get under your skin, which I’m sorry about.
I know sweet eff all about American politics and have never professed to. Rarely get involved in that discussion as completely out of my depth, so it’s weird you get onto that. Same for finance/economy type stuff. It’s all way above my head, but I do like learning about it from some of the other more knowledgeable posters on here.
I know it gets your back up when people countered the misinformation or thoughts you‘d inadvertently share around covid, or call out the social media grifters or alternative news outlets you follow and hang your hat on, but honestly, I’ve been really patient and engaged politely with you for the best part of two years because I’m sure you are actually a well meaning nice guy, just a bit misguided, in my opinion.
I don’t profess to be clever at all. I was one of the few that took the time to listen to you and Alvez at the start of covid and take onboard your arguments. I dipped a toe in the rabbit hole, listening to what the likes of Heneghan and Gupta had to say, and even fell for Yeadon as a voice worth hearing in the very early days.
When ALL of their predictions and claims were proven to be spectacularly wrong over the first few months of covid, and the GBD crowd were exposed for what they were, I realised what their game was and apologised on here for having been manipulated into spreading their word. For some reason, a few on here forgave them of all their misgivings, despite there being no secret that they were proven massively wrong, very publicly, by their own statements and predictions. I think maybe you carried on listening to them and got further into the connected group of misinformants. Even when I gave you a link to a specific timeline of their many proven incorrect claims, I think it was ignored. Why would anybody not just at least look and think ‘oh yeah, they very confidently said this would happen and it didn’t. Several times. So I should probably stop listening to them so much now, or at least take what they say with a pinch of salt. Maybe these scientists who have come from nowhere, aren’t quite the experts TalkRadio and GBNews and they themselves, keep telling me they are’.
I then took a real interest in the whole misinformation world.
Without knowing yours or Funky’s social media profile, I guarantee I could list at least a dozen of the biggest and most exposed con artists, antivax shills, misinformation lobby groups etc out there, and you’d be following them or have linked stuff to them previously. When you’ve linked stuff to them on here over the course of the pandemic, I’ve just tried to highlight why you need to take the blinkers off a little bit and be more aware of the manipulation you are victim to. But like a kid with his fingers in his ears, you give it ‘nah nah nah’ and never once actually engaged properly or comeback to the facts or discussion that doesn’t align with your warped and misguided view of things, or even acknowledge that maybe some of us who have tried really hard, might have had a point sometimes? It’s normally just met with silence.
It‘s not nice to be wrong or victim of manipulation and it’s even harder to admit it to yourself. I’ve been there!
I’ve tried to to help you, because frankly, I have some pity for those who have fallen victim to the misinformation wars. Mainly though, I absolutely hate the folk who are monetising it, making decent folk like yourself get stuck in a rabbit hole and sowing division and discourse while undermining legitimate science.
So that’s why I counter some of the guff you propagate on a public forum, with the facts or truth or added context, or I try and highlight where you can find more information. I don’t think I’ve gone down the route of ridicule, but I’m sorry if I have. I’ve certainly tried not to, but sometimes it’s hard to understand how people are taking global health emergency advice from a pub landlord (Brooks) who nobody has ever heard of, over public health experts who have dedicated their life’s study and work to the relevant science and data. Can you see how that is difficult to square?
And I’m not a clever bloke, never claim to be. You don’t need to be clever to get out of the rabbit hole but you do need to wise up a bit and ask yourself questions like ‘why (and how) does Adam Brooks follow 90 thousand odd people on Twitter. Why does James Melville? (Just using Melville and Brooks as examples, cos they are currently popular ones.) Who were these people and where were they before the pandemic? How come they are now appearing on right wing propaganda vehicle guff like GBNews and Talkradio? Are they now making money from media appearances? Are they on tv because of their expertise? Are they qualified to talk about this topic, or are they just sharing a contrarian view for attention? Did they build up a following by telling legitimately worried people what they wanted to hear? Covid isn’t a big deal, climate change isn’t real etc. Why do they all hang around together with John Mappin, the U.K. QANON big cheese. Why are the people who shouted loudest for Brexit, also the people who told me covid wasn’t going to be a big deal, and that climate change won’t be a problem? Would they have been telling me that cigarettes are fine 20 years ago? Why have some of the few scientists who have very publicly made contrarian claims regarding climate change science, been subsequently found to be funded by big fossil fuel companies? Etc These people are all linked. Look at the gatherings they have, look at who platforms them. They are all one mob, linked closely to antivax lobbying groups that masquerade as scientific research organisations like HART. All the info to highlight what these people are all about is out there. You just need to see it with an open mind and it becomes clear.
Anyway, sorry if you feel like I’m a smart ****, cos I’m really not. Pretty dumb actually, but that’s ok. There are also lots of times on here where I’ve learnt stuff, or been schooled by someone with much greater knowledge than I have about a topic, or been wrong, and I’ve often acknowledged that at the time. Or I’ve got too excitable and been rude and apologised.
You don’t need to be clever to see through the current misinformation peddlers and understand how they are making money out of their social media presence, and how they get their followings. Sometimes we do need a little help with being pointed in the right direction though. That’s because they are really good at what they do, they are encouraged and backed to do it, because it’s big money and it keeps the divide and conquer/contrarian play of the right wing active.
And I’m sorry if you think I’m following you around. I’m not, it’s just that you happened to (unwittingly) post the most subtle misinformation around covid and the deliberately misdirecting guff peddled by the grifters and people monetising contrarian views. I’ll always try and counter lies and misinformation or arguments that have been taken straight from those groups and associated individuals, and posted on here by decent folk who are doing so in good faith, but are misguided. Some stuff isn’t about just having different opinions.
If you ignore everything else in this ramble, the most important bit that I hope you see, is that it is not just a case of debating over different opinions sometimes. Data and science with context, means some stuff is verifiably black or white, right or wrong, and needs to be called out as such.
Especially when the grifters take legitimate data and deliberately chop bits of it, remove content and context, then misrepresent it. Joel Smalley and Clare Craig are imfamous for this. They know completely what they are doing. It’s devious, malicious and despicable. They don’t believe the things they are presenting. They are just taking advantage of the likes of us, who haven’t time to check the full data or read the actual study that they’ve manipulated, or find the full context. They make their little charts and graphs and pump them out onto social media as fast as they can, for the naive and innocent to spread. By the time it’s picked up and scientifically destroyed with the full datasets and context, it’s too late. The damage is done as 1000s of completely innocent folk (and 1000s of malicious folk/bots) have shared it across Facebook.
Anyway, sorry for the long email. I’ve held my tongue and tried to be polite for so long but I think it’s only fair that I at least tell you why I have such an issue with a lot of the stuff you post. If I didn’t think you would one day see through the bs, I’d not bother.
I genuinely hope that one day you see why others see the innocent spread and propagation of misinfo as such a big deal, and spend time countering it.
Maybe we should just put each other on ignore. If I do ever find myself in your pub I’ll buy you a pint and I think if we were to sit down across a table, I think we’d be able to have a discussion in a much more agreeable way and I reckon you’d see I’m not the type you think I am. I’d rather discuss top 5 cheeses and talk about beer and football than this kind of stuff. Then we could get hammered and have a wrestle in the beer garden (Baggsy I’m Big Poppa Pump..) before skipping home together happily, to our wives and kids. To get told off.
A lot gets lost in text and I realise that stuff that is well intentioned can come across as patronising, for which I’m sorry.
In the meantime, I wish you the best of luck with the whole rabbit hole escaping stuff
Osboro
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And So, what are you doing about it other than posting on this board or chatting to like minded individuals.?
When you say control, to what end?
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