Laughing
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Yup a coincidental alignment, like a stopped clock. If you only look at it twice a day and at the right time, it looks like you have a working clock.
The 9am figures not disclosed yet?
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Corcaigh_the_Cat
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According to the hospitality business cancellations are taking a grip. Perhaps the reduced mixing?
Laughing
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I suspect that has something to do with it, but not to the extent you see on those graph lines. Some people will just be keeping infection free so they can have a family christmas, also.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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Isn't that why the hospitality figures are down though?
I haven't noticed venues being quieter here, certainly not in the places I frequent. I noticed Stockton's cases actually dropped according to tonight's figures.
Randy
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We haven't died a death (yet) but we are noticeably quieter than even this time last year. We've put it down to a mini pingdemic of sorts, people not wanting to test positive on LFT's before Xmas day. I expect Xmas Eve to be as busy as 2020 mind.
Maybes that graph is part of the data that cabinet have seen and have made them hold off from the stupid curfews and eating outdoors crap.
Laughing
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I haven't been out for a while, so I don't really know "the word on the street". I suspect as Randy says, people just dont want a +ve test a few days before christmas, more than cancelled christmas does, particularly in the more traditional pubs.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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We're going shopping to Northallerton on Wednesday, the hotel we pop into for a bite can only get us in at the bar, maybe they're less busy than last year too but not by much.
We were in York a couple of weeks back for a midweek break, there were 12 of us and fortunately we had tables booked, the town was very busy. I wonder if that's fallen away in the last fortnight, they have the worst figures in the region?
It's difficult looking at local figures though, they have fluctuated so much since Covid cases were first given given.
Corcaigh_the_Cat
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I have been out and about, the club in Billingham I use had a very busy weekend, but due to going to Christmas events I've missed popping into the local for a few.
We have a holiday booked for the 30th, hopefully we dodge the disease and make the flight. We'll be a lot quieter over the next week, including Christmas.
Laughing
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Hope you make your holiday CtC.
TheYorkshireTerrier
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I was out in Boro last night. The Cleveland and the Pig Iron were bouncing, full of folk dressed up in Christmas outfits.
Andy_W
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Certainly looks like a growth has peaked, for London. I'm not that convinced that it's going down yet mind, I reckon there's millions of people with the covid denial mindset who would write this off as a cold, without getting tested.
I keep hearing of people "with a cold", who just will not do a LFT, seems bonkers to me when the tests are readily availible and free. The strange thing is a lot of these I know have done countless LFT's throughout the year.
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Andy_W
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Certainly, people are taking measures into their own hands, rther than needing forced restrictions. People are certainly not acting as they have been in Oct, Nov and early December etc, I certainly haven't been.
Loads are really scared about catching it within 10 days of Crimbo, and wrecking their Christmas.
When your own GP tells you LF tests are a waste of time , then what is the point ,and why are we constantly being fed bull**** to do them ?
Andy_W
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Which GP was that, and what surgery? It's probably worth reporting that to the NHS/ PHE and maybe thinking about getting a new GP, as they've seemingly gone rogue against the NHS or PHE advice. Either that, or you're maybe misunderstanding, and incorrectly amplifying what they've said.
The LFT has a shorter working range than a PCR, but to say they're a waste of time is completely ludicrous. There's only about half a day where a PCR would pick up the virus before the LFT, but seeing as you have to wait 24 hours to get it, then it kind of nullifies that. The LFT covers the entitre infectious period also, and even shows varying degrees of infection, as the line gets fainter and fainter.
Advice now is to take an LFT right before meeting someone at higher risk, ie don't do it the night before or on the morning, literally do it half an hour before. If meeting for a long period you could even do another later in the day, whilst you're there, if you've been in risky settings in the days prior.
Without LFT's 90% of people would be needlessly isolating, or putting increased load on the PCR testing and sequencing (which delays that, and costs a fortune), they're one of the most valuable tools we've had. No, they won't detect every case, when viral load is low, or if they're done incorrectly, but they don't give out false positives either (<0.1%). They're by far the quickest way of proving 90% of infections though, espeically those with higher viral loads, which is crucial.
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Oh I fully understood what she said , and I trust her fully ,unlike the crap we are getting told ,I know numerous people who had done several LF tests which tested negative and they then had a full test and tested positive (within an hour of the LF tests ) , people need to start thinking for themselves rather than being brainwashed
Borotommo
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What evidence do you have that the LFTs are useless? When you are “thinking for yourself”, what information are you using to guide your decision making? I mean real validated information, not the odd unsubstantiated case. Your GP has gone rogue if she is saying these things are no good. She should be reported for that
Laughing
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Not sure they are useless but false negatives are between 30 and 50 percent depending on who performs the test.
False positives are much rarer.
They are not very accurate.
Pak_Doo_Ik
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Just out of interest what does your GP recommend you do then, just go straight for a PCR and potentially clog up and already overfull system???