The 9am figures not disclosed yet?

The sun is still poking its head head out too.
Just been down to the high street for some more supplies, lots of people about having a good time. All legal though unlike Mr Johnson and Greta's meeting earlier.

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@Laughing what an excellent idea after a few jars. Socially distanced naked twister. I'm in.
It’s still sunny here but when not in the sun it’s freezing!! I’m currently sat in a down jacket with a blanket over my knees. I’m (almost) 35 I’m not meant to feel the cold yet!
 
Not to wade into this on a Friday night but it's always Andy asserting that he knows best because #science.

Well here's some up to date science on social distancing:-


MIT - pretty up there in the world of research
CNBC - a news source Andy can believe in

Maybe Randy isn't so wrong on his critique of sitting / standing inside a pub and for a bonus wearing a mask seemingly (as we all know deep down) does not do anything. See throughout this the fear science has been rubbish at best and devious at worse but it is what it is. Enjoy the sunburn from today gents.
 
It’s still sunny here but when not in the sun it’s freezing!! I’m currently sat in a down jacket with a blanket over my knees. I’m (almost) 35 I’m not meant to feel the cold yet!
Its not a checked blanket is it? There is an outdoor bar in canary wharf that has faux (I hope) reindeer skins everywhere to keep folks warm.
 
Its not a checked blanket is it? There is an outdoor bar in canary wharf that has faux (I hope) reindeer skins everywhere to keep folks warm.
It’s a tweedish one I got on a whim from Rievaulx Abbey years ago (I’m not making it sound like I’m any younger than about 104 right now)
 
Not to wade into this on a Friday night but it's always Andy asserting that he knows best because #science.

Well here's some up to date science on social distancing:-


MIT - pretty up there in the world of research
CNBC - a news source Andy can believe in

Maybe Randy isn't so wrong on his critique of sitting / standing inside a pub and for a bonus wearing a mask seemingly (as we all know deep down) does not do anything. See throughout this the fear science has been rubbish at best and devious at worse but it is what it is. Enjoy the sunburn from today gents.
I said the same but much more eloquently Alvez, even if I do say so myself.
 
Not to wade into this on a Friday night but it's always Andy asserting that he knows best because #science.

Well here's some up to date science on social distancing:-


MIT - pretty up there in the world of research
CNBC - a news source Andy can believe in

I've got you blocked as sick of reading your crap, but seeing as you were quoted (and I can see that) I'll respond.

I'm only repeating what the world guidance is, which is backed up by the vast majority of science and consensus, and the science and guidance is there to cover 100,000 scenarios, not just the 1, that you've found with your confirmation bias, but well done.

Well done on finding one single instance though, where that "may" not apply, there's 100,000 where it would. Your point only applies to those wearing masks though, which is encouraged (by science, which you also doubted previously). How many pubs and restaurants are open with mask-wearing inside? 0, as it's not practical or likely to happen. The situation that's being "prevented" is mixing indoors, in pubs with close proximity and not wearing a mask. Effectively your point is invalid, as usual.

There are hundreds of factors that could (and do) start to counter and degrade the effect of social distancing, but common sense suggests that being closer would never be a lesser risk than being 60 feet away, so being closer would in general be more risk.

Nobody disagrees that time, opening windows, fans, air circulation help, it's reducing viral load, another point which you've probably previously doubted.

Maybe Randy isn't so wrong on his critique of sitting / standing inside a pub and for a bonus wearing a mask seemingly (as we all know deep down) does not do anything. See throughout this the fear science has been rubbish at best and devious at worse but it is what it is. Enjoy the sunburn from today gents

Again, the sitting stops close and more numerous contact with non-mask wearers, and others you would not know, and especially safer for the staff. The mask is the only thing helping your argument from the link, take that away and your own point is disproven.

Maybe tell the entire world that mask-wearing does nothing, there are governments in charge of billions of people (largely backed by science, although some take longer to listen to it than others) who disagree with you. Same with pretty much every member of medical staff in the world, they think you're talking crap.

Wearing a mask in a pub with, windows and doors open, with good ventilation and limited timeframes, and people stood up (or sat down) near the same people for the entirety is low risk (especially now), of course it is, but that's not going to happen is it? Staff have zero chance of policing it either.

What will happen is larger groups, stood very close to each other, not wearing masks, doors and windows shut, people stood at the bar etc, which is what you even wanted all the way through. Funny that you don't seem to be as vocal during the peak infection times?

Like I've said though, there are valid arguments now of why we could be open (indoors, and stood up) anyway, cases are low, testing is numerous, immunity is increasing, there's less risk to those most at risk etc, focus on that, rather than the other BS you try and peddle.
 
The reason I think Randy is on a wind up here is because his comments are so far away from logical thought. He seems under the impression that spread of a virus would be the same in an open area as it is in a closed room.

Not only does the science suggest he's wrong in this, simple common sense does, so you have to assume he's not serious.
Which science?

"The science" is 2020's favourite phrase yet doesn't make a lot of sense when the vast majority of the media and folks only follow the opinion of one scientific group and easily dismiss opinions of others, and yes that includes dismissing the opinions of Yale, Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge scientists with actual experience in the relevant field of epidemiology.

Also see @Alvez_48 post with a link to a story from a credible source.

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Fully enjoyed our BBQ last night. A good time was had by all, folks even stayed past 10pm, something which was illegal in pubs less than a year ago.
 
Which science?

"The science" is 2020's favourite phrase yet doesn't make a lot of sense when the vast majority of the media and folks only follow the opinion of one scientific group and easily dismiss opinions of others, and yes that includes dismissing the opinions of Yale, Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge scientists with actual experience in the relevant field of epidemiology.

Also see @Alvez_48 post with a link to a story from a credible source.

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Fully enjoyed our BBQ last night. A good time was had by all, folks even stayed past 10pm, something which was illegal in pubs less than a year ago.
Show me a scientific, peer reviewed study that states outdoor transmission is as likely as indoor transmission.
 
the vast majority of the media and folks only follow the opinion of one scientific group and easily dismiss opinions of others, and yes that includes dismissing the opinions of Yale, Harvard, Oxford, Cambridge scientists with actual experience in the relevant field of epidemiology.

You mean the governments of pretty much the entire world, along with the whole medical world, following the worldwide wide scientific consensus, and logic? You're talking like there's one bloke in an office (who is not an expert and has zero credibility) making all this up and everyone's listening, and you have countless others on the opposite (your side) who are more qualified (with more credibility). You're talking like it's 1:10 in your favour, whereas in reality, it's 100:1 against.

If there were more on your side, the world would be listening to them, and those that had been softer initially would have maintained their softer approach and be doing better, than those ignoring it and just letting it run amok.

Those that have handled this best, have followed safety, science, consensus and logic the closest, those who denied it ended up in a massive hole, and had to use lockdowns and scientific measures to dig themselves out of it, some had to do this numerous times to get the picture.
 
Those that have handled this best, have followed safety, science, consensus and logic the closest, those who denied it ended up in a massive hole, and had to use lockdowns and scientific measures to dig themselves out of it, some had to do this numerous times to get the picture.

Massive hole? Like Texas?

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That's after nearly a month to six weeks of everything been open, baseball games with 40,000 spectators and no statewide mask mandate in force.

Or Florida?

Probably the vaccine effect.
 
Massive hole? Like Texas?


That's after nearly a month to six weeks of everything been open, baseball games with 40,000 spectators and no statewide mask mandate in force.

Or Florida?

Probably the vaccine effect.
I was referring to countries, and a lot of the USA learned a lesson from New York, and rightly so, they also had more notice than Europe, for example, and then the seasonality benefit. But Texas is an absolutely ginormous state (population density can't not help), and Texas is also being aided by the rest of the USA, which has been taking protective measures, Texas is also not exactly a hotbed of international travel. Basically they have lot of things going for them.

Also, yeah they have a vaccine, and for most of this year, the USA has had the benefit of someone competent overseeing things (who actually listens to Fauci etc), unlike the previous few years of Trump being a clown, which massively helped the USA get into a hole (like it's helped Brazil etc), and like how India is screwed as they basically just give up restrictions. I bet they kinda regret that one.

You may notice on this chart there was a steady increase and worsening waves with good old Trump/ Republicans at the helm, it's a good job they're largely democratic cities which have the highest density, effectively took safety into their own hands.
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Also, they're still "strongly encouraged" to wear masks, when within 6 feet of people, funnily enough:

On March 2, 2021, Governor Greg Abbott issued Executive Order GA-34 to provide that, in all counties not in an area with high hospitalizations:
  1. there are no COVID-19-related operating limits for any business or other establishment; and
  2. individuals are strongly encouraged to wear face coverings over the nose and mouth wherever it is not feasible to maintain six feet of social distancing from another person not in the same household, but no person may be required by any jurisdiction to wear or to mandate the wearing of a face covering.
Obviously, restrictions and the guidance measures got them to a point where they could start to remove restrictions, and now there's little need for them because of this. They didn't get there by magic.
 
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Click the X before it fully loads to read the article. Unless SAGE are now wrong?


No, they're probably not wrong, like I keep saying, cases are low (thanks to restrictions, guided by science/ consensus) and thanks to vaccines (also science, and belief in science).

The removal of masks and social distancing isn't because they don't work, it's because they did work, hence why we're now in a position to give them up, now we're covered by vaccines, and we've never been in this position before.

Honestly, do you really believe what you write? Or are you on a wind-up?

I hope it's the latter, albeit it would be extremely poor taste.

If not, you're beyond help or so far in a hole you will never get out, effectively a waste of my time.
 
No, they're probably not wrong, like I keep saying, cases are low (thanks to restrictions, guided by science/ consensus) and thanks to vaccines (also science, and belief in science).

The removal of masks and social distancing isn't because they don't work, it's because they did work, hence why we're now in a position to give them up, now we're covered by vaccines, and we've never been in this position before.

Honestly, do you really believe what you write? Or are you on a wind-up?

I hope it's the latter, albeit it would be extremely poor taste.

If not, you're beyond help or so far in a hole you will never get out, effectively a waste of my time.
Pretty insulting Andy, do you deal with people you meet day to day with that kind of disdain. It's not a very attractive quality. You use the phrase idiot all the time, you really do have a chip on your shoulder.
 
Pretty insulting Andy, do you deal with people you meet day to day with that kind of disdain. It's not a very attractive quality. You use the phrase idiot all the time, you really do have a chip on your shoulder.
It's fine @Laughing, I've been called far worse by far worse people, nature of the game I work in. I've actively avoided people like Andy and Smalltown all my life in the real world, those who refuse to believe they aren't always right, it's good practice to continue it on the internet. 😎
His tone does amuse me sometimes though, hiding behind a computer screen. 😟
 
Pretty insulting Andy, do you deal with people you meet day to day with that kind of disdain. It's not a very attractive quality. You use the phrase idiot all the time, you really do have a chip on your shoulder.
How is that insulting? He doesn't listen to logic, or counter anything, and just keeps moving from one thing to the next, and to the next, it's frustrating.

Can't see me using the word idiot in any posts on this thread, although I do like the word, and there are a lot of idiots, so may have, albeit probably not against Randy? Albeit anyone going against the world's consensus of scientists and those in the medical professions get little respect from me.

No, not ever to be honest, I get on very well with everyone I meet and have tons of groups of friends. But on a day to day basis I'm dealing with people who are generally appreciative of science and logic, and who are extremely competent. Those that are not, generally keep what they think to themselves, or "in real life" people can't hide from or ignore a response to what they've said, there's a degree of accountability. I've had similar conversations as this before, but it's easier to get people to understand, or a point across, if they're not free to just divert, or hideaway and this also stops things going too far etc.

I trust science, consensus and competency and will fight for that all day long, and it's extremely easy to fight for.
 
How is that insulting? He doesn't listen to logic, or counter anything, and just keeps moving from one thing to the next, and to the next, it's frustrating.

Can't see me using the word idiot in any posts on this thread, although I do like the word, and there are a lot of idiots, so may have, albeit probably not against Randy? Albeit anyone going against the world's consensus of scientists and those in the medical professions get little respect from me.

No, not ever to be honest, I get on very well with everyone I meet and have tons of groups of friends. But on a day to day basis I'm dealing with people who are generally appreciative of science and logic, and who are extremely competent. Those that are not, generally keep what they think to themselves, or "in real life" people can't hide from or ignore a response to what they've said, there's a degree of accountability. I've had similar conversations as this before, but it's easier to get people to understand, or a point across, if they're not free to just divert, or hideaway and this also stops things going too far etc.

I trust science, consensus and competency and will fight for that all day long, and it's extremely easy to fight for.
You have described the general public as being idiots plenty of times. Not aimed at Randy, you're right. Your didain for your fellow man comes across loud and clear Andy, even in your explanation quoted.
 
It's fine @Laughing, I've been called far worse by far worse people, nature of the game I work in. I've actively avoided people like Andy and Smalltown all my life in the real world, those who refuse to believe they aren't always right, it's good practice to continue it on the internet. 😎
His tone does amuse me sometimes though, hiding behind a computer screen. 😟
Don't think I called you an idiot? Don't think I called you anything?

Haha, avoid what/ who? People, who are logical? That's not going to get you very far, in this case the vast majority are supportive of what I've been defending.

I don't think I'm right, I'm trusting that the consensus of experts are.
 
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