SmallTown
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You seem to be suggesting that you favour them because of the way they have handled coronavirus? Please tell me that's not true and I've misread your post?
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NYboro
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The wind turbine plant has absolutely nothing to do with the freeport.
magic
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You’ve misread it totally, I despise everything about the Tory party and they’ve handled this crisis appallingly but I think we’ll probably not agree on the reason why.
SmallTown
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it sounded like you were defending it. With your comments on lockdowns. Given how lax, slow and confusing they have been on the subject.
BoroMart
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because most people don't bother looking at the detail or the history and make judgements based on personality
It isn't necessarily about being clever, it's about putting a bit of effort in to learn, most people are far more lazy than me, I like learning, I'm on a course right now that I paid for out of my own pocket. I like to learn, I like to analyse, I like to work things out a bit more than most people who are happy with at best a superficial understanding.
Like I said some people really simplify things. If you think lockdown strategy is the only thing that matters then thats a failure of holistic thought and even a failure of understanding of pandemic handling and response.
The governments covid strategy has been a failure, they have killed 130k+ citizens through failure, they have harmed our economy, and their failures have meant deeper, longer and repeated lockdowns.
If you think that Labour want more lockdowns then you haven't paid attention at all. They called for lockdowns earlier, to stop getting into longer lockdowns. It's pretty obvious their strategy was control and contain, it was be proactive, rather than reactive like Cummings has confirmed today.
Failure to act is failure to govern and it's exactly what this government have done.
BoroMart
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try and explain then...that's what debate is about
Nobby_Barnes
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Incredible OP, you voted for him only 18 months ago in the general election.
NYboro
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I might be wrong, but I didn't think ST's constituency was Uxbridge and South Ruislip.
SmallTown
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Haha brilliant. I noticed you had replied and thought “hmm I wonder what Nob will be saying”.
You’re at least predictable I’ll give you that. You should take it too, you have few redeeming qualities
SmallTown
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You are correct. I didn’t vote for Alexander Johnson
Austerity and tax breaks vs investment and more for the everyman
and yet i the last few weeks the tories were proposing increasing corporation tax and Labour were against it.Corruption vs less corruption its hard to say either are any good. The tories are handing public money to their mates and blatantly stitched up the report on institutional racism a few weeks ago. Labour keep announcing that they're for sale to large donors now, and have buried their internal Forde report that was meant to come out last July covering senior staff defrauding the party to sabotage it at elections.
https://www.bristol247.com/news-and...our-members-describe-agm-as-a-complete-farce/
These are the less corrupt ones are they?
These are the less corrupt ones are they?
BoroMart
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Be honest, this was a temporary claim to support pandemic. increased corporation tax won't happen, but if it didit would only apply to SMEs because the larger enterprises have too many sweetheart deals and get out clauses. So as usual the ultra rich would avoid paying it.Austerity and tax breaks vs investment and more for the everyman
I can't believe you have put that defence up after the corruption of PPE. Name me one Labour MP who gave 1/4 of a billion to a friends tiny company to deliver something which they then failed to do.
Do they? Where? If they are taking corporate donor money then I would guarantee it will not be on the same scale as the tories and as already mentioned they haven't got a record of giving money away to dodgy deals like the PPE corruption.
You've far from proven that they are the as corrupt, if anything you've strengthened the opposite view.
BoroMart
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maybe if you look at the full story and not the headlines you will find this isn't about protecting rich people its about a significant drug and violence problem that has arrived in the area and is seen as a way of combatting it.
BoroMart
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that isn't even same ballpark as the billions that have been spaffed up the wall to Tory donors and friends on PPE that didn't meet standards produced by companies that don't have any history of producing any medical grade equipment. Or maybe the ferry company as a brexit insurance that didn't have any ships or any history of exporting. It's billions and billions and your counterpoint is a bit of shenanigans around an AGM...I mean look at the Tories and shutting down parliament based on lies and corruption for a far bigger issue in teh same ballpark as your example.
So, no, they're not the same.
@BoroMart My point is, seeing the way the Labour party treats it's own members, why would anyone assume they would be any less corrupt in government than the tories are?
It's no good saying Labour are clean as a whistle because they didn't funnel PPE money to their mates. They weren't in a position to.
The evidence we've got of the way they conduct themselves isn't good I'm afraid.
It's no good saying Labour are clean as a whistle because they didn't funnel PPE money to their mates. They weren't in a position to.
The evidence we've got of the way they conduct themselves isn't good I'm afraid.
coluka
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I can’t think of anyone apart from SmallTown and Cooper that was on here who voted Tory, although I am sure there will have been a few others who probably did say so and I have forgotten. To be fair, I only voted Labour in 2019 (and therefore Corbyn by default 
) as there was no credible alternative in my constituency to try to get the incumbent tory out.
But to get back to tha question the OP asked, I haven’t noticed anyone particularly defending Johnson on here (which was the OP’s point i think). I have seen people defending the Government actions at times (which is different), which is fair enough. They handled furlough reasonably well and the getting in early with vaccine orders and handing it to the NHS to oversee the roll out has been a major coup tbh. However, there is no getting away from how ill prepared we were, indecisive re our borders and social distancing at the outset and during the last 14 months (which re borders is ironic really) and how liberal they were with our money on getting PPE and using friends and financial donors, many with no experience, to trust them to follow through. Billions will have been wasted that we will all have to pay back slowly but surely.
The big problem I have with Johnson is that his eventual successor will be brighter, more astute, yet likely be even worse than what we have (I know, I know), although what we seemingly have is Nut nuts pulling the strings for now anyway. It is indeed an Eton Mess
) as there was no credible alternative in my constituency to try to get the incumbent tory out.But to get back to tha question the OP asked, I haven’t noticed anyone particularly defending Johnson on here (which was the OP’s point i think). I have seen people defending the Government actions at times (which is different), which is fair enough. They handled furlough reasonably well and the getting in early with vaccine orders and handing it to the NHS to oversee the roll out has been a major coup tbh. However, there is no getting away from how ill prepared we were, indecisive re our borders and social distancing at the outset and during the last 14 months (which re borders is ironic really) and how liberal they were with our money on getting PPE and using friends and financial donors, many with no experience, to trust them to follow through. Billions will have been wasted that we will all have to pay back slowly but surely.
The big problem I have with Johnson is that his eventual successor will be brighter, more astute, yet likely be even worse than what we have (I know, I know), although what we seemingly have is Nut nuts pulling the strings for now anyway. It is indeed an Eton Mess
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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"can someone explain to me why you vote for Boris and we'll explain to you why you're an idiot. And probably a racist too."