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jam69
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No, because that would have led to a surge in all the other parties thatare not Labour, it was brexit wot won/lost it
LaPennaBianca
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You're not necessarily a racist - but given what's happened over the last year or so, the burden of proof is on you to prove you're not an idiot.
Millbrook
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I don't disagree with you on that. My point was that the vote was not a personal one for Boris as some folks are making out. But on reflection you are probably correct that it was a vote for Brexit that won it.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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Whoosh.
LaPennaBianca
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Oh deary me, I've been had!
NYboro
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...and all this "evidence" leads you to surmise that the stench of proven corruption in the Tory party is fine?
You'll have to let me know where I've said anything like that NYboro. I don't recall ever typing such a thing. What I actually said was:
All I'm saying is there is a stack of evidence of corruption within the Labour party against Labour members time and time again (the 2016 leadership election, the leaked doc, the missing Forde enquiry, Bristol West, selecting a candidate for Hartlepool). If that's what the party does to it's own most committed supporters whilst in opposition, why would anyone assume they would be any less corrupt in government?
BoroMart
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because the evidence is clear Labour have not got a scandal hanging over any of their previous governments giving billions to friends for nothing in return for the country.
BoroMart
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they've had previous governments and they haven't squirreled billions to family and friends for no return
bear66
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Hancock's a good call for that.
The current shadow cabinet? A handful I suppose but most haven't been part of any government. Unless your meaning just being in the Labour party somehow immunises you from any chance of being corrupt. Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.
Besides the last Labour gov faked evidence to get parliament to support invading a country for resources. I'm not sure they're the best example to point to of honesty/integrity.
BoroMart
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I said neither of those things. I said no member of a labour government have squirreled away billions to their mates. That's a fact, it's a fact that Johnsons Tory government aren't the only ones giving our money away to friends. Try a bit more honesty in your debate
Ironops
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It was Corbyn. He was the single largest factor as to why labour lost votes, more than brexit
jam69
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Corbyn lost votes, and gained some, especially with the younger voters, time and time on the doorstep you heard people say they couldn't vote Labour because of their stance on brexit, that's why Labour did well in 17 but badly in 19 when the public rightly or wrongly perceived Labour to be blocking brexit.
Labour should have let the tories deal with the mess of brexit , it was after all their mess, a vote to keep the tory party together.
Too many own goals cost corbyn, which was a shame as lots of his polices were good and would have helped lead to a fairer society.
Ironops
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Im afraid the polling doesnt support that view
In their own words: why voters abandoned Labour | YouGov
There’s been a lot of soul searching within the Labour Party since last week’s election. Why did they face their fourth consecutive defeat at the ballot box, and fall to their lowest number of seats since 1935?
yougov.co.uk
Who Labour lost in 2019 – and why - LabourList
One of the most comprehensive public post-mortems of an election defeat ever has just been published. The 2019…
labourlist.org
Damning new poll of 'real voters' suggest reasons Corbyn lost the election
The poll suggests that the Labour leader was seen as weak, indecisive and lacking in patriotism by voters in December's election.
news.sky.com
BoroMart
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They lost seats because of brexit, pure and simpleIm afraid the polling doesnt support that view
In their own words: why voters abandoned Labour | YouGov
There’s been a lot of soul searching within the Labour Party since last week’s election. Why did they face their fourth consecutive defeat at the ballot box, and fall to their lowest number of seats since 1935?
Who Labour lost in 2019 – and why - LabourList
One of the most comprehensive public post-mortems of an election defeat ever has just been published. The 2019…
Damning new poll of 'real voters' suggest reasons Corbyn lost the election
The poll suggests that the Labour leader was seen as weak, indecisive and lacking in patriotism by voters in December's election.
Ironops
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Wheres the evidence?
BoroMart
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the evidence is the only ticket that Boris stood on was "Get Brexit Done", that was his strap-line and he increased votes from May.