Littlejimmy
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Jeez. I remember why I keep having to put certain People on ignore now and again. Bizarre.
Supreme Court ruling on Scot ref - Scottish govt does NOT have right to hold another referendum
- Thread starter Jedi boro
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Okay well, good news, they have.
Scotland is a part of the UK still. Nobody on the independence side has changed that. There's been no declarations of independence, no fighting, no throwing a load of tea in a harbour. The result has been honoured.But you can't just pick a moment in history and say right we've all made our choices, nobody's allowed to try and change anything fron here on.
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Johnny Vincents Motorbike
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its nothing what-so-ever to do with 'democracy' - its a further example of English oppression - and English labour/socialists/democrats should be disgusted by such a situation.
stop supporting the conservative regime.
stop supporting the conservative regime.
sherlock
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If you really don't think Brexit is the major cause of our rapidly declining country then I really don't know what to say.....
Okay. Well similar to the other points, I don't see that you can reasonably expect the first minister of Scotland to think it's irrelevant how Scotland voted. It's not like the SNP were the ones calling for the EU referendum.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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Can handle other people's viewpoints?
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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I'm not saying that. I'm saying for such a momentus decision ten years is far too short a time.Okay well, good news, they have.
But you can't just pick a moment in history and say right we've all made our choices, nobody's allowed to try and change anything fron here on.
And that holding votes until you get the answer you want is undemocratic.
Littlejimmy
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Sometimes yes, sometimes no.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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I think housing and the environment are having a far greater impact and are far more important to me than Brexit. I have a different life to you. Different things impact different people.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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What is it you find offensive?
I think you're overegging this point. It's not some dictator forcing a referendum on their populace. The SNP have been cleaning up in elections since 2015. What can anyone expect them to do, other than pursue their agenda? You can't say they hide what they're about, it's abundantly clear that they're pro-independence. They have manifestos, they get elected, they have a mandate.
It's certainly not democratic to insist no more referendums for 50/100 years or however long, irrespective of which party and policies people in Scotland vote for.
sherlock
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Brexit is negatively impacting the economy by double the amount caused by the pandemic. Every year. That's just fact.
It is incomprehensible that you can say covid has had a greater effect.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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I mean I'm not saying they shouldn't exist. I'm saying I disagree that there should be another independence referendum, so soon after the first.
Well that's what honouring the result is. What you and Jedi seem to be saying you want is way beyond that. You're straying into thought police type stuff. Remaining in the UK squeaks a referendum 55-45 in 2014 and you're saying you don't want a political party whos raison detre is Scottish independence to be allowed to campaign for it for a century.
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Fair enough, I've maybe conflated some of yours and Jedis posts in that case. My apologies.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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I'm thinking beyond the economy. Not really interested in debating about Brexit. I will say that my personal circumstances mean that there are other things far more important than Brexit to me.
Don't think we will agree anyway so I think I'll leave it there.
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret
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I actually emailed them earlier in the year asking for them to put up candidates in England as I would like to vote for them.
I think the rest of their policies are fantastic. I just don't agree that we should hold a new referendum.
lostinyorkshire
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How much does it cost to run these referendums by the way? Its hard enough isnt it without wasting 100s of millions again
TeaCider
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It wouldn't be in the hundreds.
2014 cost £16m to run.
It's still lot of money, but that's a drop in the ocean from Scotland's budget.
Priv
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The SNP are losing voters because the Scottish public are fed up with their division and have realised they lie as much as the tories. I’ve spent a fair bit of time reading comments on articles relating to this court verdict and was surprised how many were now really fed up with the SNP and their division and didn’t want independence. When challenged why vote for a party whose main aim is independence the answer was generally for the freebies but after 15 years the majority of what they’ve promised just hasnt materialised.
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They’d promised free bikes and laptops for kids that weren’t delivered.
They promised to abolish council tax, they didn’t
Reduce class sizes to 18 they didn’t.
Cash grants for first time house buyers that never happened.
Free dental care didn’t happen
4 day weeks not looked at as promised
The list goes on, they repeatedly put things in their manifesto in an attempt to buy votes but you can only get away with bluffing so long before people start to realise.
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They’d promised free bikes and laptops for kids that weren’t delivered.
They promised to abolish council tax, they didn’t
Reduce class sizes to 18 they didn’t.
Cash grants for first time house buyers that never happened.
Free dental care didn’t happen
4 day weeks not looked at as promised
The list goes on, they repeatedly put things in their manifesto in an attempt to buy votes but you can only get away with bluffing so long before people start to realise.