Sunak's 5 pledges

r00fie1 said:
Where is he going to get the qualified staff to fill the 40,000 vacant nursing posts and the other 60,000 posts vacant in social care and health.
Perhaps hes going to wave the magic wand and they`l all be stood there outside no.10 first thing in the morning!?
Dyck(n)
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Where are Labour or the Lib Dems going to get them?
I've been wondering this a lot and I'm not making excuses for the travesty that this government is. Hoping those with higher intellect and calm heads can educate me on this.
A loose scenario, say the government gives a band of nurses £20 per hour (yes I know there are different bands but stick with this one). Those nurses go back to work and obviously the £20 p/h wage will attract other nurses to join. That's great news. But then. Doctors will want the same percentage of pay rise that the nurse got, they'll go on strike, then the government gives them what they want, back to work and more doctors attracted to the service.
But then...
Police officers, fire brigade, utility company workers, military staff will all want the same percentage pay rise that the nurses and doctors got through strikes. They all go on strike but where's the money coming from? Higher taxes? Sure that could work but can everybody who doesn't work in those sectors afford to pay more taxes? Probably not without pay rises and it's incredibly difficult for private sector workers to go on strike. Tax the rich more? Good idea in principal but what stops them just moving themselves and their money abroad?

What are the options without causing massive ripples throughout the population? The other sectors I mentioned other than the doctors and nurses are just as important to the running, upkeep and security of the country and it's people.
 
Randy said:
Where are Labour or the Lib Dems going to get them?
I've been wondering this a lot and I'm not making excuses for the travesty that this government is. Hoping those with higher intellect and calm heads can educate me on this.
A loose scenario, say the government gives a band of nurses £20 per hour (yes I know there are different bands but stick with this one). Those nurses go back to work and obviously the £20 p/h wage will attract other nurses to join. That's great news. But then. Doctors will want the same percentage of pay rise that the nurse got, they'll go on strike, then the government gives them what they want, back to work and more doctors attracted to the service.
But then...
Police officers, fire brigade, utility company workers, military staff will all want the same percentage pay rise that the nurses and doctors got through strikes. They all go on strike but where's the money coming from? Higher taxes? Sure that could work but can everybody who doesn't work in those sectors afford to pay more taxes? Probably not without pay rises and it's incredibly difficult for private sector workers to go on strike. Tax the rich more? Good idea in principal but what stops them just moving themselves and their money abroad?

What are the options without causing massive ripples throughout the population? The other sectors I mentioned other than the doctors and nurses are just as important to the running, upkeep and security of the country and it's people.
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Your question is basically "how do we best distribute wealth?". Letting rich people keep it all is definitely not the answer. Equal distribution is also not the answer. Setting the floor high enough so everyone can be happy requires the ceiling to be lower. I don't see why anyone needs more money than can be spent in 1000 lifetimes when they wouldn't even notice any effect on their life if 90% of it didn't exist.
 
Randy said:
Where are Labour or the Lib Dems going to get them?
I've been wondering this a lot and I'm not making excuses for the travesty that this government is. Hoping those with higher intellect and calm heads can educate me on this.
A loose scenario, say the government gives a band of nurses £20 per hour (yes I know there are different bands but stick with this one). Those nurses go back to work and obviously the £20 p/h wage will attract other nurses to join. That's great news. But then. Doctors will want the same percentage of pay rise that the nurse got, they'll go on strike, then the government gives them what they want, back to work and more doctors attracted to the service.
But then...
Police officers, fire brigade, utility company workers, military staff will all want the same percentage pay rise that the nurses and doctors got through strikes. They all go on strike but where's the money coming from? Higher taxes? Sure that could work but can everybody who doesn't work in those sectors afford to pay more taxes? Probably not without pay rises and it's incredibly difficult for private sector workers to go on strike. Tax the rich more? Good idea in principal but what stops them just moving themselves and their money abroad?

What are the options without causing massive ripples throughout the population? The other sectors I mentioned other than the doctors and nurses are just as important to the running, upkeep and security of the country and it's people.
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What happened to the high wage economy promised by Johnson last year.

The country's problems boil down to the mismanagement of the economy over the last 13 years. Low growth, high inflation, higher tax-take and increasing interest rates means that workers require double digit % pay rises just to stand still.

So I don't accept the premise of your question "where are Labour or the Lib Dems going to get them?".

I'm convinced that either of those Parties would improve the economy and lay the groundwork to accelerate training and mobilisation of new healthcare workers.
 
I think this absolute feeble attempt at anything remotely resembling leadership highlights just how finished they are.

As make no mistake this will have been planned and hashed out for weeks at central office, so to be this bad shows how doomed they are.

It’s the political equivalent of a letter to Santa.
 
You can be sure that whatever criteria they come up with to prove he met these pledges will be fiddled just as they fiddled the criteria to 'prove' they'd met the testing targets for covid - by saying each test was actually 2 tests and then adding kits in the post count as tests etc
 
Randy said:
Where are Labour or the Lib Dems going to get them?
I've been wondering this a lot and I'm not making excuses for the travesty that this government is. Hoping those with higher intellect and calm heads can educate me on this.
A loose scenario, say the government gives a band of nurses £20 per hour (yes I know there are different bands but stick with this one). Those nurses go back to work and obviously the £20 p/h wage will attract other nurses to join. That's great news. But then. Doctors will want the same percentage of pay rise that the nurse got, they'll go on strike, then the government gives them what they want, back to work and more doctors attracted to the service.
But then...
Police officers, fire brigade, utility company workers, military staff will all want the same percentage pay rise that the nurses and doctors got through strikes. They all go on strike but where's the money coming from? Higher taxes? Sure that could work but can everybody who doesn't work in those sectors afford to pay more taxes? Probably not without pay rises and it's incredibly difficult for private sector workers to go on strike. Tax the rich more? Good idea in principal but what stops them just moving themselves and their money abroad?

What are the options without causing massive ripples throughout the population? The other sectors I mentioned other than the doctors and nurses are just as important to the running, upkeep and security of the country and it's people.
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Its like Borofur said Randy.
The poor are poor to keep the ruling class rich and powerful.
(y)
 
Nano said:
Brexit isn't the problem. It has just highlighted the existing problem. Yes, people from the EU would come and work here in social care but the real problem is that the wages in social care are pitiful for the work involved. There would be more people willing to work in social care if the pay was better.

As a country we try to do everything on the cheap. We shouldn't be in a race to the bottom to compete with 3rd world countries on wages. Valuable jobs should pay wages that reflects the value they provide to society. Importing a load of foreigners to do it on the cheap should not be the solution.
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You provide a very simple solution to a highly complex problem. Which suggests to me it may not work. That said, with the 'free money' that's coming with the next Government maybe they will find a way.
 
gizasqueezemister said:
You provide a very simple solution to a highly complex problem. Which suggests to me it may not work. That said, with the 'free money' that's coming with the next Government maybe they will find a way.
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The "free(?) money" isnt free.
Its in the hands of the powerful super-rich and comes off the backs of ordinary people.
We want our money back .
For The Many Not The Few (y)
 
Randy said:
Where are Labour or the Lib Dems going to get them?
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A national recruitment drive
Bring back the bursary to encourage new nurses
Actively recruit EU nurses
Give better visa's to foreign nurses
Pay the nurses better
Value the nurses more - claps don't mean anything
 
gizasqueezemister said:
You provide a very simple solution to a highly complex problem. Which suggests to me it may not work. That said, with the 'free money' that's coming with the next Government maybe they will find a way.
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Starmer saying today there is no free money (as you put it). So that old stereotype that you have wheeled out is done. In fact it is the Tories who keep shaking the magic money tree... Have you seen how much they plan to borrow in the next 2 years???
 
gizasqueezemister said:
I think the main comparison is that they both seem to be hugely unpopular with the electorate. People really do seem to have had enough of 2 party politics. I think if there was a GE now turn out would be very low.
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Bang on. People have no power to boot out the 2 party system and so apathy sets in.
 
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