Sunak's 5 pledges

Nano said:
Oh dear, how patronising. It matters 100% how they are contracted because the more we spend on one thing the less we can spend on others. Having to cancel theatre lists because there are no agency staff available doesn't happen when staff are permanent because they are on a rota and the gaps wouldn't exist.

Instead of paying a premium for agency or locum we could spend the money on admin which frees up the clinical staff time so they can see patients instead of wasting it doing paperwork.

Increasing morale improves productivity and reduces sickness. Increased salaries and conditions can pay for itself via productivity improvements.

Permanent staff get involved in things like service improvement/development and can help to improve services. Temporary staff don't do that.

Retaining staff instead of losing them abroad or to early retirement means the numbers coming in via training or immigration is higher than the number leaving so vacancies stop increasing.

If we had more permanent staff, better productivity and reduced sickness then managers could actually manage instead of just fire fighting trying to fill shifts.

This isn't "simplistic solutions", this is reality. It is literally my job so don't pretend you are some expert on this.
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I didn't intend to be patronising, I just get frustrated on here with the level of thinking applied, not neccesarilly you. However, You think a newly minted labour government can fix the nhs quickly. And, probably more pertinent to the point you made that I replied to, labour can spend their way out of the nhs crises. They simply cannot even with an unlimited budget. You can't buy fully trained staff and even if you could, putting some of the suggestions you read on here in to action would exacerbate the problem not fix it. It requires a well thought out, coherent plan.

The nhs wasnt planned on a fag packet and it won't be fixed like that either.

My initial point stands. The basic misunderstanding of the problem that will face an incoming government are demonstrated on this thread and are going to take decades to fix. Money is only a small part of the overall solution. It isn't just lack of funding that got us here. It's a calculated, deliberate attack on the nhs driving staff numbers down. Cash doesn't fix that.

Finally to your point. I don't think I am an expert. I know very little about how the nhs is run at grass roots and I didn't pretend to know. I didn't suggest solutions I explained why throwing money at it won't solve the current crisis.
 
exiledinboro said:
30+ Thousand staff left the NHS last year alone

Short term it would be good if we could attract them back and those who have left in previous years and those who have gone part time but I under it’s probably highly unlikely they will come back

In fairness Labour have announced:

  • Doubling the number of medical school places to 15,000 a year
  • Doubling the number of district nurses qualifying each year
  • Training 5,000 new health visitors a year
  • Creating 10,000 more nursing and midwifery clinical placements each year
Costing around £30 billion paid for by re-introducing the 45p top rate of tax on the high earners
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You hit the nail on the head with your thinking that they won't come back. Many left due to mental health problems rather than pay, which is shocking and needs to be addressed.

If a job makes you ill you don't go back to it even for a 19% payrise.

You return when our hospitals are staffed properly and you can deliver a level of care that doesn't break your heart.

To the last part of your post I agree with labour's approach. Fix the staffing issues as a priority. But it takes time.
 
sherlock1969 said:
Because like it or not, in the current system it's a wasted vote. The absolute most important thing, bar none, is to get the Tories out.
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Even if it means going against his potentially deep rooted views and feelings? That's still not democracy.

What would you say if Labour **** up the next government and the greens look the most viable solution? "Vote red otherwise the Tories will knock is out"? How's that any different to what's happening now?

If Labour don't feel like they can win the next election on their own then they need to look at building a coalition and quickly whilst asking themselves why not. For the record the Tories won't win the next general election and I'll probably be voting independent (even though the Tories will be a shoe in round here as an absolute certainty). Far too much has passed under the bridge.

There are more options then just red or blue.
 
Randy said:
Even if it means going against his potentially deep rooted views and feelings? That's still not democracy.

What would you say if Labour **** up the next government and the greens look the most viable solution? "Vote red otherwise the Tories will knock is out"? How's that any different to what's happening now?

If Labour don't feel like they can win the next election on their own then they need to look at building a coalition and quickly whilst asking themselves why not. For the record the Tories won't win the next general election and I'll probably be voting independent (even though the Tories will be a shoe in round here as an absolute certainty). Far too much has passed under the bridge.

There are more options then just red or blue.
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I disagree but that’s ok.

To be honest, on this board I look at you and Nobby and think that if my mindset is the opposite of yours I’m staying true to what I believe 👍
 
sherlock1969 said:
I disagree but that’s ok.

To be honest, on this board I look at you and Nobby and think that if my mindset is the opposite of yours I’m staying true to what I believe 👍
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Which is Tory Lite? Labour must win at all costs? **** what it costs and takes?

As I said, there are other options on the voting sheets.
 
Six weeks after Prime Minster Winston Churchill announced the surrender of Nazi Germany, the Labour Party formed a Government on a "Socialist" programme of Nationalisation of the "Commanding Heights" of the economy: the utilities [Water / Gas / Electricity], the Railways, Docks, Mines, Steel, the Bank of England. A massive social house-building programe, a real National Health Service based on need not profit and a land fit for an exhausted workforce.
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More importantly, for millions of Armed Forces Personnel and their families - battered and bruised from six years of War and ten years of Austerity before that - they wanted something tangible, something concrete, something achievable - not next year, or next month, or next week, or tomorrow, but TODAY!
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[Daily Mirror - VE Day - May 8th 1945].

British Capital had made £billions out of the war - turning its hand from cars, cycles and railway engines - to making bombs, tanks and Lancasters. The profits of war for the few left the country`s infrastructure in tatters: private enterprise couldnt provide the massive rebuild of our railways. It didnt want to replace the slums and back-to-backs in the cities. It had no inclination to build decent housing for the many. Our people couldnt wait for crumbs from the top table. People wanted change. Real change!
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The people voted in a Labour Government with a landslide majority of 183 seats! [392 compared to the Tory`s 210]. Churchills waffle had anaethetised workers during a brutal war. It was going to be hard work. Apart from the few rich capitalists, Britain was skint. It was to spend decades paying reparations to the American Banks, right into the 21st Century.
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But people needed jobs, hope, dignity, respect, a decent roof over their heads, access to education, access to good quality health care, care for peoples children. An end to cramped squalor and insanitary housing. Was it too much to ask?
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The point is that Labour dragged its people out of the war on the back of a massive increase in public spending. That money created jobs for millions, particularly building a million new decent Local Authority houses. Everybody had the right to a decent roof over their head, not left to the casino of the "free" market. Where was the "land fit for heroes"? Where is it today? What`s happened to the promises of jam tomorrow? Whats happened "after" "austerity"? We can do the same today if any of todays "leaders" had the balls to do it. But they dont want to change the status quo.

The consequences are in our A&E Departments, in our homeless, our shortage of hospital beds, our creaking railways, raw sewerage being discharged into the sea, over 3M children in poverty, people being unable to heat their homes.........
 
Randy said:
There are more options then just red or blue.
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No there aren’t. But feel free to think otherwise.

Given every election in this and last century since the war has been either red or blue.

With a joke a coalition that was Tory led in the middle.

To get them out you need to vote some one else in.

Ok You may not like but that is the reality.

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It was a bit of a cbeebies presentation. We might be poorer than him but we are not all 5yrs old and to be talked down to.

Or perhaps it was for the benefit of the every decreasing band of doddery old brexiteers.

Then there was the total nonsense non specific content. A holding statement whilst the cabinet all get their CV's updated in the hunt for new employment.

Conservatives should be consigned to history like Museum Piece Mogg.
 
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