Still booing the taking the knee

m3t4tr0n said:
No mate, but if some people at my work did as a gesture against racism, I wouldn't boo them.
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So, why are you not kneeling?

Would your work colleagues welcome the act? If they do not are racist knuckle draggers?

Kneeling is necessary to fight injustice.s

h_m_boro said:
Colin Kaepernick👍
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Sponsored by Nike.

Kaepernick earns big money indirectly from Nikes sweat shops and anti union activity in Asia. Goes mute when asked about Nikes activities.

We could do BLM and an ideology that thinks treating people equally regardless of their skin colour is racist.
 
I kept quiet during the minutes silence for the Queen even though I don't agree with the monarchy.

Next time a member of the Royal family dies I'm going to boo for a minute and see what happens.

As has been said, its the same d@ckheads who sing songs about rentboys in London. Embarrassing, but every team has the knuckledraggers.
 
Pembroke said:
So, why are you not kneeling?

Would your work colleagues welcome the act? If they do not are racist knuckle draggers?

Kneeling is necessary to fight injustice.s
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You either deliberately ignore or are completely oblivious to the point that it is one thing to not participate, even to hold some concerns, it is absolutely something entirely different to boo it.

I would not boo anyone at my work that chose to start the day with a symbolic gesture against racism, I wouldn't boo them because, regardless of how effectual I thought it was, I support and agree with the message of the gesture, because the message is right. If I were to boo it, I would understand the message that would send about me.
 
Pembroke said:
Your highlighting why people may boo something. Its ineffectual. Pointless.

There is an argument present here that you KNOW why people boo this ineffectual useless kneeling that hardly no other sport bother with, and most clubs have binned is solely racism. You have even decided those who boo this ineffectual useless kneeling that hardly no other sport bother with, and most clubs have binned are knuckle draggers.

People can have a multitude of reasons to boo only this one, and only one imported gimmick associated with BLM that hardly no other sport bother with, and most clubs have binned beyond them being racist. These reasons are not because they are not all against anti racism.

England and Wales went to a party, the World cup hosted by racists, human right abusers, homophobes, misogynists ... There is our games struggle against injustice.
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Ok, so you think my hypothetical pre match discussion in the pub could actually happen then?

Fine let's go with that. So these guys booing and presumably yourself (whether you boo or not, you clearly support the act) are so anti-racist, more so even than the rest of us, that an ineffective gesture to tackle the issue is actually pretty offensive to them. So offensive in fact there's a need to show displeasure at it by booing.

The club is clearly missing a trick here. If it identifies these people they could have a hell of a focus group on their hands about the issue.

As someone so passionately anti-racist yourself you must have loads of ideas about what the club and players could do instead. Obviously doing something is better than doing nothing, I'm sure you agree. You don't think they should take the knee, so what? I'm all ears, you must have loads of thoughts.
 
If fans are booing because they don't believe the knee is enough, it is their responsibility to come up with something better and more effective. I don't hear solutions coming forward.

I don't think they would also not be happy lining up alongside those who are booing because they oppose racial equality.

I therefore don't believe anyone is booing because they don't believe the knee is enough.
 
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Pembroke said:
So, why are you not kneeling?

Would your work colleagues welcome the act? If they do not are racist knuckle draggers?

Kneeling is necessary to fight injustice.s



Sponsored by Nike.

Kaepernick earns big money indirectly from Nikes sweat shops and anti union activity in Asia. Goes mute when asked about Nikes activities.

We could do BLM and an ideology that thinks treating people equally regardless of their skin colour is racist.
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Aaaaahhhh........you are a Tory MP. Realising your hole is getting deeper, the whataboutery comes out. Which - in your mind - makes any of your views justifiable.

What you are implying is only a monastic pure person can possibly highlight inequality in any form. Yes?

If Kaepernick criticised far east sweat shops while picking up a whopping fee for Nike, yes, the stench of hypocrisy would be overpowering. But as far as I am aware, Nike don't have black kids in America or Africa etc banging out Air Jordans while being racially abused/beaten/killed. Or is this another QUANON fallacy I've missed? 🤷🏻‍♂️🤷🏻‍♂️
 
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@Pembroke

Your argument appears to be that the gesture is ineffective.

I get that. In fact, Britt got it, which is why the players chose not to kneel. The John Yems case shows that much stronger action is needed now.

But I'm baffled by how you can make that argument but simultaneously fail to see that the booing is even more ineffective. Nobody hears the boos and thinks "oh good, Boro fans recognise that deep-seated racial prejudices require a more substantial response than an empty gesture". They think "yeah, let's boo those uppity black people, daring to think they should have the same rights as us".

You are decrying an ineffective gesture by defending an even more ineffective gesture.
 
Lots and lots of claptrap being written by one individual here about how ineffective the gesture is, about how it’s linked to BLM but it’s utter bull. Dead simple this. They kneel (or in Boro’s case choose not to kneel as they happen to agree it’s not enough) for the specific reasons they say they kneel ie for equality and against prejudice. So you either sit there and think it’s ineffective but harmless so I’ll just wait 5 seconds for the match to start or you stand there and loudly boo an anti racism gesture. That’s the effing question that isn’t being answered - why positively boo something? We all know the reason why. It’s obvious. And all this squirming just confirms it.

Oh and kneeling for this started will MLK in the 50s if we want to get accurate about our history here.
 
The problem here is that WE as a club stood up against it by remaining standing so this mixed message I think caused a divide that hasn’t really helped.

Btw I get why we took our stance but it does seem the whole thing does feel a little muddled now.
 
Jedi boro said:
The problem here is that WE as a club stood up against it by remaining standing so this mixed message I think caused a divide that hasn’t really helped.

Btw I get why we took our stance but it does seem the whole thing does feel a little muddled now.
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They booed when we knelt. That has nowt to do with it.
 
I do recall, when the taking of the knee first started, talking to a bunch of old guys in ou local social club. Don't remember the game, but it started a conversation. Those that didn't agree with players kneeling, were not oppossed to the gesture because they saw it as inneffective. They were quoting stuff like all lives matter.

Now clearly, one of two things is happening here, they are racist and don't want the status quo to change. Some, and I would have said most, didn't understand the environment in which some people have to live their lives. They read the sun or mail and that is where they get their news. They don't live with racism so don't think it exists.

They think black men get harrassed by the police because they are more likely to break the law, was one comment that was raised.

This thread was blocked from replies last week because it took exactly the same direction as this one.
 
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