Starmer calls for nationwide lockdown in next 24 hrs

Michael_Vronsky said:
Thing is Holgate, who's going to police this? Like it's been said time and time again, the vast majority of us will do the right thing, but there are still, and always will be, people who do as they like. And I'm not talking about desperate people popping into see their elderly mother (I wish I could!) but those who party every damn day.

I'm pretty sure most of these people know damn well they won't be called out, won't have police knocking on their door or telling them to move on.

Like most things in life, people do things because they 'can'.

Sick to death of all this selfishness and entitlement.
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If the vast majority do the right thing the virus will go

there is always a minority, bad luck it’s your next door neighbour but it would be better for you well-being to spend less time on it.

is there anything you can do to influence the situation. If yes, are you able to do it? If you aren’t able to do that thing then it’s out of your control and you energy would be best out into something you can control.
 
GazC_MFC said:
If the vast majority do the right thing the virus will go

there is always a minority, bad luck it’s your next door neighbour but it would be better for you well-being to spend less time on it.

is there anything you can do to influence the situation. If yes, are you able to do it? If you aren’t able to do that thing then it’s out of your control and you energy would be best out into something you can control.
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That's true, but it's very difficult to ignore when your nose is being rubbed in it.

I would say that the vast majority are doing the right thing, but it only takes a few idiots to travel here and there and be totally reckless.
 
Scrote said:
The whole thing has been one massive balls-up after another.

The opposition should be holding the government to account at every opportunity - this idea that we should be pulling together only works if the people in charge are actually doing the right thing.

We know that people can't be trusted if left to themselves. That's not a spectacular revelation. Some will do everything by the book and others will try to eke every advantage for themselves. It's a combination of human nature and societal conditioning.

A full hard lockdown is probably the only thing that can really help in the short term. If we had a proper handle on the vaccination progress then we could probably make some fairly decent plans for coming out of this. As it is we're still reacting to events and that means things are done far too late to really make a difference.

Starmer should be asking about the vaccine on a daily basis. Johnson waffling on Marr yesterday shouldn't be allowed to happen.

In Starmer's defence I think he's suffering from the same lack of exposure that affected Corbyn, but we were told that a change of leader would make all the difference...
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Boris Johnson waffled and dithered under soft questioning from Marr, kicking the lockdown can down the road which went unchallenged along with his pointless rhetoric.

Starmer comes straight out with lockdown must happen within 24 hours.

Boris Johnson is now making an announcement on BBC at 8. That is what effective opposition does.
 
Did Starmer get a wiff of Scotland going in to lockdown and called out the Government on it. i.e Everyone trying to get ahead of the curve except the Government
 
Michael_Vronsky said:
That's true, but it's very difficult to ignore when your nose is being rubbed in it.

I would say that the vast majority are doing the right thing, but it only takes a few idiots to travel here and there and be totally reckless.
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Ye totally get it. It’s hard to ignore. At work the introduce to circle to control/influence since that I just let people crack on. Probably should do it more on here 🤣🤣
 
GazC_MFC said:
Ye totally get it. It’s hard to ignore. At work the introduce to circle to control/influence since that I just let people crack on. Probably should do it more on here 🤣🤣
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You're right in that I should ignore it but I know that I'll comply with the rules and all the pain that it entails, whilst neighbours carry on regardless without the slightest hint of consideration. I'm actually okay with working from home and I can take hardship but I abhor entitled people who just do as they please with not a thought for others.

They have no discretion either. There's no sneaking about or doing something out of necessity. I'm not sure why they needed five car loads of friends staying over yesterday, but that's how it is.
 
Chris_Boro said:
Boris Johnson waffled and dithered under soft questioning from Marr, kicking the lockdown can down the road which went unchallenged along with his pointless rhetoric.

Starmer comes straight out with lockdown must happen within 24 hours.

Boris Johnson is now making an announcement on BBC at 8. That is what effective opposition does.
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Less than a week ago, Williamson said he was confident there wouldn't be another national lockdown.
 
Michael_Vronsky said:
You're right in that I should ignore it but I know that I'll comply with the rules and all the pain that it entails, whilst neighbours carry on regardless without the slightest hint of consideration. I'm actually okay with working from home and I can take hardship but I abhor entitled people who just do as they please with not a thought for others.

They have no discretion either. There's no sneaking about or doing something out of necessity. I'm not sure why they needed five car loads of friends staying over yesterday, but that's how it is.
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To a large extent you have to just let go of those things that you cannot do anything about. Concentrate on this things you can effect Michael and let the rest go.
 
Laughing said:
To a large extent you have to just let go of those things that you cannot do anything about. Concentrate on this things you can effect Michael and let the rest go.
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Yeah, very true. However, the longer this goes on, the more my temper frays! I need to find my inner Buddha!
 
UKLL1981 said:
Can you build a runway in my garden then? I’m doing a lot of aircraft doing cargo flights atm bringing in PPE. How are you going to enforce 1 hour exercise? Is me seeing my child non essential travel? He lives an hour away. I know someone that took his own life during the last lockdown after getting made redundant. Cutting people off that live on their own from all contact is inhumane, not even the worst prisoners in the world get that treatment. All those clamouring for nationwide house arrest must have such the perfect life that it doesn’t affect them....Its not always so black and white for everyone and that will be evident when the suicide figures come out next year.
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I agree support bubbles have to remain, key word is 'support'. Non-essential travel should mean that and the only way people will start to take notice is for legislation to be introduced and it is policed. I am utterly amazed why we are not seeing the media used by govt. to get the messages across more, programme interruptions etc. Warning letters to people traveling out of their areas, picked up on roadside cameras. We are all for civil liberties, they are hard won, but I genuinely believe a harder line has to be taken.
 
Michael_Vronsky said:
Yeah, very true. However, the longer this goes on, the more my temper frays! I need to find my inner Buddha!
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A tip I was given a few years ago on a leadership course was to write down all the things that are stressing you. Then circle the ones that you can address and make a plan for those. The act of taking some control and accepting those things that you have to live with does help.

I stopped worrying about rule breakers quite some time ago, though we are quite lucky and live in a smaller town, village really where most people obey the rules and look our for each other.
 
tripleheader said:
I agree support bubbles have to remain, key word is 'support'. Non-essential travel should mean that and the only way people will start to take notice is for legislation to be introduced and it is policed. I am utterly amazed why we are not seeing the media used by govt. to get the messages across more, programme interruptions etc. Warning letters to people traveling out of their areas, picked up on roadside cameras. We are all for civil liberties, they are hard won, but I genuinely believe a harder line has to be taken.
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Not sure how far the emeergency covid legislation would go on those kinds of measures. If you were to introduce those kinds of legislative ideas to parliament they would get voted down in all likelihood.

We need to police the legislation as it stands first and foremost. If you can't police, no law will stop people. In addition any draconian laws would be overturned on appeal.
 
Laughing said:
A tip I was given a few years ago on a leadership course was to write down all the things that are stressing you. Then circle the ones that you can address and make a plan for those. The act of taking some control and accepting those things that you have to live with does help.

I stopped worrying about rule breakers quite some time ago, though we are quite lucky and live in a smaller town, village really where most people obey the rules and look our for each other.
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Remember from my student days somebody who had a poster on the wall

Give me the courage to change the things I can, resignation to accept the things I can't and the wisdom to know the difference.
 
His plans aren’t far removed from what Tier 4 is offering. A little tweak with schools and he becomes a genius. Piece of **** this politics lark.
 
GazC_MFC said:
If the vast majority do the right thing the virus will go

there is always a minority, bad luck it’s your next door neighbour but it would be better for you well-being to spend less time on it.

is there anything you can do to influence the situation. If yes, are you able to do it? If you aren’t able to do that thing then it’s out of your control and you energy would be best out into something you can control.
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I agree with what you have said bar the vast majority - it actually feels more like 50/50 of the split between people whom follow the rules and those that don’t.
 
We need a 'stay at home order' like Scotland. I doubt we'll get one. Just T4 for everyone and schools closed to Feb no doubt.
 
FatCat said:
I agree with what you have said bar the vast majority - it actually feels more like 50/50 of the split between people whom follow the rules and those that don’t.
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Depends where you live I guess. We have good compliance in our village, and reasonable compliance in dunstable and houghton. I believe luton is quite poor though, compliance wise.

I have seen one guy in our local shop without a mask and the girl behind the counter told him to cover his face, and he did. That is about the worst I have seen locally.
 

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AFTER Johnson leaks he’s going to close schools tonight, Starmer ‘toughens’ and ‘calls’ for closures

As shameless as it is incompetent: after months opposing teaching unions and insisting schools stay open – and only a day after insisting closures would be ‘chaos’ – Starmer…
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AFTER Johnson leaks he’s going to close schools tonight, Starmer ‘toughens’ and ‘calls’ for closures​


By SKWAWKBOX (SW)04/01/2021

As shameless as it is incompetent: after months opposing teaching unions and insisting schools stay open – and only a day after insisting closures would be ‘chaos’ – Starmer u-turns. But only 45 minutes after the Tories leak to the press that Johnson will announce them
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Keir Starmer has spent months opposing teaching unions on pandemic measures, from the issue of masks in classrooms to his ‘no ifs, no buts’ demand for schools to open – up to just yesterday, when he insisted school closures would just increase the ‘chaos‘, two days after the National Education Union (NEU) and other unions said they would tell their members to stay home because schools are unsafe workplaces.


Fast-forward to today. Just after 3 pm, ITV’s Robert Peston reported – clearly briefed by Downing Street – that Johnson will tonight announce a nationwide lockdown that will include school closures.


About an hour after the news was leaked, Starmer ‘toughened’ Labour’s position to include a ‘call’ for schools to shut:


Sir Keir Starmer toughens Labour position calling for schools to shut as part of national measures

– Also interesting in when schools might reopen

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It’s not hard to imagine the scramble to get in front of a camera, after Starmer’s advisers told him Johnson was about to u-turn on schools – and Starmer, desperate to u-turn before Johnson makes it official for a change, decides he’ll ‘toughen’ his position and ‘call’ for schools to close.


And ends up looking anything but tough – in fact, looking “........... embarrassing”, as one senior Labour source told SKWAWKBOX.


In the summer, Starmer’s Labour humiliated itself by trying to claim credit for Marcus Rashford’s success in forcing Boris Johnson to climb down on the issue of free school meals for poor children. This is as bad or even worse, with Labour trying to cash in after the fact on a huge win for teachers and unions – having actively opposed them before today.

A graphical depiction of the last ten months
If Starmer and his cronies had shown the integrity and backbone to do what Labour is for – stand with the unions and against the Tories, instead of the other way round – the genuine political capital would have flowed to him naturally when Johnson executed yet another screeching u-turn after months of causing deaths and damaging the economy.


Instead, by ‘calling’ only when it was already a public, done deal, he ends up looking not only opportunistic, but pathetically weak and incompetent.


And for a Labour ‘leader’ whose only pitch is a concocted notion of inoffensive ‘competence’ and imaginary ‘forensic’ skill, that’s a disaster.
 
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