Starmer calls for nationwide lockdown in next 24 hrs

FatCat said:
In some ways it’s a no win situation because you can’t have to diametrically opposite things. If you have a proper lock down you have mental health issues and impacts on people’s livelihoods and the economy.
People have proven time and time again that they won’t abide by lockdown rules. I’m starting to realise that this only ends/ becomes manageable when people have been vaccinated. That’s why if it was my decision I would go hell for leather at vaccinating as many as possible as soon as possible at the expense of other things. Just my view.
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Probably one of the reasons that we need such a harsh lockdown as people just wont comply, if everything is shut then they only realistically can meet inside peoples homes, and any large gatherings at the moment will have the police round to break it up. Seems the only way to stop people mixing is just to take away every opportunity
 
mymatelookslikephilstamp said:
I'm honestly flabbergasted at the number of people calling out for an even more stringent lockdown / increase in restrictions that anything we've had previously. Is this the general consensus or are the people that don't agree with this view afraid of speaking up?
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So are you then in favour of people being turned away from hospitals when severely ill? Ambulances being unable to attend traffic accidents?

You see a lot of this 'we can't lock down' but you never provide the answers. How do we stop it spreading so that it doesn't overwhelm the hospitals?
 
S7DiscoDown said:
I'm off for bog rolls and a Mcdonalds 😂

Jokes aside I'm not sure how the country can manage another total lockdown? I see all my mates stay at home wives and people online saying 'we must lockdown'

I can only assume these people don't work (stay at home mum / dad) or definitely going to get paid whilst off work? I cannot believe anyone who needs to work to pay bills will be damanding a full lockdown.

The effects of a full lockdown for 6 weeks will be financially and mentally catastrophic for many families. I doubt I'd have a company to go back too if they close for 6 weeks. They nearly went under in June.
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Need to find a balance between working and also saving peoples lives, it is possible to be impacted by lockdown but still want people to be protected properly. And the way cases are currently going what alternative do we have to a full lockdown at least until the vaccines start to have an impact?
 
The difference now is this lockdown is not open ended. As I have said before, we are in a race between the virus and the vaccine.
At the moment the virus is streaking ahead moving so fast it will be difficult to catch it up. It looks certain to score!
What we need is someone to "take it for the team" to hack it down on the halfway line and like Norman Hunter cause it serious injury.
It will get up and hobble on
Luckily we have Raheem Stirling who robs him of the ball and sprints the other way to score.
Whilst we chant 1-0 to the mighty Vaccine
 
MolteniArcore said:
So are you then in favour of people being turned away from hospitals when severely ill? Ambulances being unable to attend traffic accidents?

You see a lot of this 'we can't lock down' but you never provide the answers. How do we stop it spreading so that it doesn't overwhelm the hospitals?
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What traffic accidents we are talking about lockdown.
In other countries you get stopped in the road by the police and if you don’t have a permit for where you are going you are fined. You get permits for emergencies etc not just because you want to go shopping in blue water.
 
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FatCat said:
What traffic accidents we are talking about lockdown.
In other countries you get stopped in the rod by the police and if you don’t have a permit for where you are going you are fined. You get permits for emergencies etc not just because you want to go shopping in blue water.
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OK, ambulances going to any accidents then... :rolleyes: You get the point... Unless something is done there is a real risk hospitals will be overwhelmed. We saw it happen in Italy with horrible consequences.
 
MolteniArcore said:
OK, ambulances going to any accidents then... :rolleyes: You get the point... Unless something is done there is a real risk hospitals will be overwhelmed. We saw it happen in Italy with horrible consequences.
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I’m not sure I do - no one is suggesting a 100 per cent lockdown rather emergencies only type lockdown - the country still needs to run but we can have a much tougher and effective lockdown than tier three/ four currently offers.
 
FatCat said:
Agree People are the biggest problem, the vaccine solves this nothing else.

i saw my neighbour yesterday she had an IT problem explained it to me and said “ you can’t come into the. House to look obviously” I was thinking why not you must have had 20 odd people in there over the last week ( not that I would of gone in)
Her IT problem was related to a photo book she was creating about covid fir the grandchildren “you know social distancing and all that” my eyebrows raised ever so slightly!!!
Just at that point I heard the next neighbour me down kids saying bye uncle so and so we will see you on Friday - as another car load we’re leaving.
people are out and out flouting the rules and then have the audacity to blame anyone except themselves!
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Yep, so true. What I found exceptionally ironic was my neighbours who, every Thursday, took to clapping and banging sauce pans, rallying the troops, and EVERY day their house was, and is like Piccadilly Circus. Absolutely zero self awareness. Ninety per cent of us can, and WILL, stick to the rules but you're always going to have these entitled morons who do as they please. As a result we'll be in and out of lockdown till every last person is vaccinated.
 
FatCat said:
I’m not sure I do - no one is suggesting a 100 per cent lockdown rather emergencies only type lockdown - the country still needs to run but we can have a much tougher and effective lockdown than tier three/ four currently offers.
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I agree with you. The point I was making was people who don't want further restrictions are unable to tell us how we can stop hospitals being overwhelmed.
 
Michael_Vronsky said:
Yep, so true. What I found exceptionally ironic was my neighbours who, every Thursday, took to clapping and banging sauce pans, rallying the troops, and EVERY day their house was, and is like Piccadilly Circus. Absolutely zero self awareness. Ninety per cent of us can, and WILL, stick to the rules but you're always going to have these entitled morons who do as they please. As a result we'll be in and out of lockdown till every last person is vaccinated.
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do you think they have no self awareness though or they know what they are doing is wrong and just dont care. I find my neighbours are even happy to criticise others but don't seem to recognise their own behaviour is wrong, or have somehow legitimised in their minds hta they are doing is ok, either way i just dont get it!
 
I see no possible way out of all this if the f***wits are allowed to continue to be f***wits. And nothing is being done. There is no deterrent. So the saga will go on. And on. While the vigilant, responsible and selfless suffer.
 
FatCat said:
do you think they have no self awareness though or they know what they are doing is wrong and just dont care. I find my neighbours are even happy to criticise others but don't seem to recognise their own behaviour is wrong, or have somehow legitimised in their minds hta they are doing is ok, either way i just dont get it!
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Actually, you're right. They're intelligent, educated people but supremely arrogant and rules simply don't exist for them or apply to them. They have grand children in and out all day and night and they're in their 60's, have a sedentary life so must be in the risk bracket. I guess that level of arrogance precludes you from thinking anything's going to happen to you.
 
Think there needs to be full lockdown, only key workers out and about, with key worker letters in case stopped, evening curfews, got to go hard now, the warning signs of hospitals being overwhelmed are already there, but usual dithering and lack of acceptance......
 
the_holgate_roof said:
Think there needs to be full lockdown, only key workers out and about, with key worker letters in case stopped, evening curfews, got to go hard now, the warning signs of hospitals being overwhelmed are already there, but usual dithering and lack of acceptance......
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The depressing inevitability is though, you know this bunch of tools are never going to 'go hard'... 😞
 
Thing is Holgate, who's going to police this? Like it's been said time and time again, the vast majority of us will do the right thing, but there are still, and always will be, people who do as they like. And I'm not talking about desperate people popping into see their elderly mother (I wish I could!) but those who party every damn day.

I'm pretty sure most of these people know damn well they won't be called out, won't have police knocking on their door or telling them to move on.

Like most things in life, people do things because they 'can'.

Sick to death of all this selfishness and entitlement.
 
FatCat said:
What traffic accidents we are talking about lockdown.
In other countries you get stopped in the road by the police and if you don’t have a permit for where you are going you are fined. You get permits for emergencies etc not just because you want to go shopping in blue water.
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The problem is if the hospitals get swamped with covid cases then it's not just the treatment of covid cases that will be impacted. There will be a triage system across the board and your chances of getting admitted - for anything - will be based on the chances of you recovering. Triage in other words. So yes, if you're seriously injured in a road accident then your survival may depend on how you score on a survivability audit. Score in the wrong range and it's sorry, no room on ITU. This isn't me talking, it's from a conversation I had last Saturday (see earlier in this thread).
 
The whole thing has been one massive balls-up after another.

The opposition should be holding the government to account at every opportunity - this idea that we should be pulling together only works if the people in charge are actually doing the right thing.

We know that people can't be trusted if left to themselves. That's not a spectacular revelation. Some will do everything by the book and others will try to eke every advantage for themselves. It's a combination of human nature and societal conditioning.

A full hard lockdown is probably the only thing that can really help in the short term. If we had a proper handle on the vaccination progress then we could probably make some fairly decent plans for coming out of this. As it is we're still reacting to events and that means things are done far too late to really make a difference.

Starmer should be asking about the vaccine on a daily basis. Johnson waffling on Marr yesterday shouldn't be allowed to happen.

In Starmer's defence I think he's suffering from the same lack of exposure that affected Corbyn, but we were told that a change of leader would make all the difference...
 
I expect no competence between now and the time that all required vulnerable people have been vaccinated. Then when the vaccinations have been carried out (by OCTOBER) i expect continued incompetence in restoring normality. Even when everyone is vaccinated there will be other reasons surface to keep some form of fear in our hearts and liberties encroached upon. Guaranteed.
 
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