Simon Clarke MP

At this current time. Anything but The Guardian. Can be reviewed on a ongoing basis dependent on the climate at the time.

Can you still buy Viz? amazing

Cheers FG. Hopefully Spanish won't trot along to tell us all how he has me blocked for 100th time
 
ST I don't know why you even asked as you surely knew I hadn't seen it. I'd rather be sat at home than at work so it's not really convenient is it.

So again why ask the question when you already know the answer, then when you get the answer you already know you pretend its convenient or pleading ignorance. I'm giving the benefit of the doubt that its the game you play and you don't actually believe that. Otherwise i'd be concerned about you
 
My main criticism of Clarke was his failure to explain why the PPE offers had not been responded to and what he would do to make sure the same mistakes would not be repeated, it’s a huge error and to have any confidence going forward then a review, explanation and action against those responsible needs to be taken, it’s not enough to offer a promise, in fact it’s shoddy and pathetic, again this is not a matter of political ideology but simple incompetence.

The confirmed figures of deaths in the UK should report all known (certified cases) on the daily report with those reported later added ASAP, that might mean peaks and troughs in the curve but it’s imperative that all deaths are included in the figures to give as an accurate indication of how this crisis has been dealt with.

Also, the Cooper goading is becoming a bit unedifying to me, I understand that certain things can frustrate and at times we will agree and disagree with certain posters on certain things but there are lines of respect that we should try and avoid crossing. I don’t think anyone has crossed those lines yet and it would be to keep the right side of the boundary.
 
AM - I’m not sure ‘Cooper goading’ is the right phrase here.
If you use this thread as an example:
A poster has come on ignored the thread and the thrust of the discussion.
The poster has been asked a few questions and chosen not to engage whilst being happy to argue with another poster about something irrelevant to the topic.

You could easily conclude the poster has come on for a bit of attention, a fight and is happy that way.

Your cautionary note is a good one, in general, but this poster is no ‘first offender’.
 
I have ignored questions - I think you'll find I answered the questions

You are finger pointing me while ST was asking questions which clearly he knew the answers to and when I answered them he uses it to form an argument for himself. Clearly knowing the answer before hand.

You could easily conclude that poster asked that particular question knowing the answer in order to try and paint me out as deflecting from the question (which I never)

But bravo to you for clearly marking me out not one your "clique" in that respect
 
Cooper671 said:
I have ignored questions - I think you'll find I answered the questions

You are finger pointing me while ST was asking questions which clearly he knew the answers to and when I answered them he uses it to form an argument for himself. Clearly knowing the answer before hand.

You could easily conclude that poster asked that particular question knowing the answer in order to try and paint me out as deflecting from the question (which I never)

But bravo to you for clearly marking me out not one your "clique" in that respect
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I never mentioned you
 
1finny said:
AM - I’m not sure ‘Cooper goading’ is the right phrase here.
If you use this thread as an example:
A poster has come on ignored the thread and the thrust of the discussion.
The poster has been asked a few questions and chosen not to engage whilst being happy to argue with another poster about something irrelevant to the topic.

You could easily conclude the poster has come on for a bit of attention, a fight and is happy that way.

Your cautionary note is a good one, in general, but this poster is no ‘first offender’.
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I totally understand and respect what you’re saying just concerned that it could cross the line and stray into something else, like I say no lines have been crossed and I have nothing against just popping my head up to offer as you say a ‘cautionary note’ I’ve called out Cooper in the past for some seemingly ad hominem posts and just offering a thought comma before anyone went down that route.
 
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American_Mary said:
Also, the Cooper goading is becoming a bit unedifying to me, I understand that certain things can frustrate and at times we will agree and disagree with certain posters on certain things but there are lines of respect that we should try and avoid crossing. I don’t think anyone has crossed those lines yet and it would be to keep the right side of the boundary.
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I sort of agree, not that I think anyone individually is out of order, it's just the cumulative effect of many people can begin to feel like ganging up and bullying. If anyone remembers the Boro Bliss saga, she brought a heck of a lot on herself with some stupid posts, which often deserved countering, but it was unedifying when there was a pile on.
 
Cooper671 said:
I have ignored questions - I think you'll find I answered the questions

You are finger pointing me while ST was asking questions which clearly he knew the answers to and when I answered them he uses it to form an argument for himself. Clearly knowing the answer before hand.

You could easily conclude that poster asked that particular question knowing the answer in order to try and paint me out as deflecting from the question (which I never)

But bravo to you for clearly marking me out not one your "clique" in that respect
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You didn't answer questions though. You deflected and complained about the press, rather than addressing the OP. You could, of course, have come on and said you didn't see it so can't comment. Instead you did your usual deflection, whataboutery and decided to have a go at me for telling it like it is.
I'm glad you finally admitted, in your tedious and needlessly confrontational way, that you can't defend the government on this occasion. Took a while but hey.
 
To be honest piers Morgan just strikes me as a self righteous shouty nob head. Much as he always has been. I sincerely hope that the debate over the response to this virus is between reasoned people rather than just who shouts the loudest. It's more important to find out what has gone wrong and fix it, rather than looking for some hopeless patsy to crucify.
 
Sheriff_John_Bunnell_ret said:
To be honest piers Morgan just strikes me as a self righteous shouty nob head. Much as he always has been. I sincerely hope that the debate over the response to this virus is between reasoned people rather than just who shouts the loudest. It's more important to find out what has gone wrong and fix it, rather than looking for some hopeless patsy to crucify.
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He is. He should do more listening and less shouting. He's right on the HMG coronavirus response criticism and questioning and he was good in the US on gun control though.

I wonder how he would be with Trump and the US response to covid-19 if he were still there now. That would be a dilemma for him.
 
Morgan's a horrible piece of work, almost in the same league as a real self-obsessed slimy b'stard like Gove.

Almost.
 
That interview is not holding the government to account. We learnt nothing. Give me a number. Give me a number. Give me a number. HOW DARE YOU TALK OF PEOPLE AS JUST A NUMBER.

That interview is about Piers Morgan.

When you get idiocy like that rather than proper reasoned journalism, you get idiocy in response. You get policy to appease the press rather than to resolve the issue.
 
ST you don’t have spout some utter rubbish and again you are make comments on my behalf which I have said in anyway.

I said in my 1st post I hadn’t seen it (again you should know that) so you are wrong there. I didn’t pretend to criticise the actual interview just Piers Morgan himself (so you are wrong there again)

Then I haven’t admitted anything so you are making assumptions and pretending you are telling it like it is. I have stated none of those things. If you could point where in this thread I have admitted anything that would be good to know... obviously you can’t so that would be fun. If you can’t just shows you are again making things up.

If you really believe that in your head then I suggest you might need some medical intervention.

Just because the clique like your posts doesn’t mean your right so don’t give yourself delusions of grandeur as believe me they don’t exist
 
Lefty said:
He is. He should do more listening and less shouting. He's right on the HMG coronavirus response criticism and questioning and he was good in the US on gun control though.

I wonder how he would be with Trump and the US response to covid-19 if he were still there now. That would be a dilemma for him.
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You might be surprised

Trump
 
Cooper671 said:
ST you don’t have spout some utter rubbish and again you are make comments on my behalf which I have said in anyway.

I said in my 1st post I hadn’t seen it (again you should know that) so you are wrong there. I didn’t pretend to criticise the actual interview just Piers Morgan himself (so you are wrong there again)

Then I haven’t admitted anything so you are making assumptions and pretending you are telling it like it is. I have stated none of those things. If you could point where in this thread I have admitted anything that would be good to know... obviously you can’t so that would be fun. If you can’t just shows you are again making things up.

If you really believe that in your head then I suggest you might need some medical intervention.

Just because the clique like your posts doesn’t mean your right so don’t give yourself delusions of grandeur as believe me they don’t exist
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I made those assumptions about you admitting you can’t defend it based solely on the fact that your sole piropea on here appears to be defending the government. The fact we have gone back and forth for three pages and you’ve made no attempt to defend them, just used your usual deflection and distraction, shows that you can’t. If you could you would have done it by now instead of tediously trying to defend the fact you’re the Kong of whataboutery. We all know you are, you should own it instead of getting upset when we pull you up on it.
 
I agree with AM that there seems to be some incompetence in the management of the virus and supplies etc. It goads me all these very well paid experts and politicians standing outside the massive Excel Centre a couple of weeks ago and then I find only 40 patients have ever been submitted and we have passed the top of the peak. I understand there should be some spare capacity, but that level of over capacity seems way out. At the same time quite basic PPE is missing at other hospitals and people are probably dying as a consequence. It feels like there has been a bit of vanity project going on by those in charge. (possibly to reassure the "Plebs" in their minds, but also to give the impression they are doing something)
 
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