Scotland v England

alvez_49 said:
Croatia once again underachieved getting beat by Croatia a team we should and have swatted away
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I'm sorry but this shows a fundamental lack of knowledge. Croatia's midfield was Modric, Rakitic and Brozovic. England had Henderson, Lingard and Dele All. That's a monumental gulf in class right there and ultimately why we lost, as Croatia's midfield gradually got on top.

It's easy to write off Croatia as a scrappy little country, but the fact is that was a team full of players plying their trade for top clubs in the Champions League with the best CM of his generation running the show for them.
 
Jedi boro said:
We’ll see.

Gareth has his favourites that will be in regardless of fitness or form ( I think we’ve seen that) Phillips rice maguire etc.

Tonight was the first start for foden since the wc quarter final 12 months ago.
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The World Cup was last winter not last summer, so that's 9 months ago not 12. More importantly, we've played 6 games since then and Foden was injured for one of those. So 4 times since the World Cup Southgate has picked Saka, Grealish, Rashford or Maddison ahead of Foden.

I'm Foden's biggest fan but he had injury and form issues last season and as a result fell behind Grealish in the Man City pecking order. Meanwhile Saka and Rashford had great seasons. It's a strange stick with which to beat Southgate IMO.

Also, when has Rice ever lacked for fitness or form? That's your most bizarre claim yet.
 
Foden had a spell out through appendicitis last season, he missed four games but then had to get back into a City side that were flying. He lost a bit of form too. I'm not Southgate s biggest fan but I wouldn't knock him for not picking him.
 
BoroMart said:
We are post tournament and starting a new transition, come the euros Maguire and Henderson will not be in the starting line up
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If that happens then we will be in a much better position to win the tournament, if it doesn’t (and I see no reason why they both won’t be in the squad) then our chances a greatly diminished.

Also if they are not part of our Euro plans why did both start our last qualifying game, it’s not like there aren’t viable alternatives???
 
Pak_Doo_Ik said:
If that happens then we will be in a much better position to win the tournament, if it doesn’t (and I see no reason why they both won’t be in the squad) then our chances a greatly diminished.

Also if they are not part of our Euro plans why did both start our last qualifying game, it’s not like there aren’t viable alternatives???
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Exactly that was the A team in Ukraine a game that mattered Last night were the back ups.

That’s what’s wrong.
 
WilliamMunny said:
The World Cup was last winter not last summer, so that's 9 months ago not 12. More importantly, we've played 6 games since then and Foden was injured for one of those. So 4 times since the World Cup Southgate has picked Saka, Grealish, Rashford or Maddison ahead of Foden.

I'm Foden's biggest fan but he had injury and form issues last season and as a result fell behind Grealish in the Man City pecking order. Meanwhile Saka and Rashford had great seasons. It's a strange stick with which to beat Southgate IMO.

Also, when has Rice ever lacked for fitness or form? That's your most bizarre claim yet.
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Come on foden has never been the same since the naughty step incident as Gareth clearly has an issue with him hence his calling him out yesterday in that odd comment and taking him off when he eiyh Bellingham were running the show.

Will he start v Italy then ???
 
BoroMart said:
Well neither of us know for sure. What we do know is that in the history of the game there hasn’t been a player as young as Jude in a European Championship final and being the boy to make a difference that wins the game. You are speculating on the unprecedented, which is why I find it unlikely.
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I couldn't care less what has or hasn't happened previously to be fair. That shouldn't matter.

If he's good enough, age is irrelevant.

As shown below - I mentioned we should be starting Jude back in 2021 predicting he'll become a superstar.
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England team for Germany?

Some big calls for Southgate to make. I'd go with Foden ahead of Saka but I'd be looking for Foden and Sterling to switch wings after 15-20 minutes if it isn't working. Also great to know we have Saka as an option to bring off the bench. .....................Pickford...
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We've played much younger players in tournaments, who aren't as good as Jude, so playing Jude at 18 shouldn't have been a problem.
 
Marvanelli said:
I couldn't care less what has or hasn't happened previously to be fair. That shouldn't matter.

If he's good enough, age is irrelevant.

As shown below - I mentioned we should be starting Jude back in 2021 predicting he'll become a superstar.
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England team for Germany?

Some big calls for Southgate to make. I'd go with Foden ahead of Saka but I'd be looking for Foden and Sterling to switch wings after 15-20 minutes if it isn't working. Also great to know we have Saka as an option to bring off the bench. .....................Pickford...
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We've played much younger players in tournaments, who aren't as good as Jude, so playing Jude at 18 shouldn't have been a problem.
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He was running the show at dortmund in the champions league I said at the time he should be in as well.

German players were amazed he wasn’t
 
Of the three tournament "near misses" Croatia is probably the one I'd give us the most chance with. I think we were probably bookies favourites (just) for that tie, although as stated above, they are/were a fantastic team who would give most European teams a good game.

Italy were far and away the best side at the Euros, most who had watched the tournament closely expected an England defeat I believe? I certainly did.

As for France, one of the very best sides in the world, no harm in losing to them, their side is better than ours all over the pitch.
 
Jedi boro said:
Come on foden has never been the same since the naughty step incident as Gareth clearly has an issue with him hence his calling him out yesterday in that odd comment and taking him off when he eiyh Bellingham were running the show.

Will he start v Italy then ???
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If he starts to show consistency at City there's a good chance he'll be in there. He played instead of Saka last night, I'd have Saka in front of him on past England form.
 
changingman said:
Italy were far and away the best side at the Euros, most who had watched the tournament closely expected an England defeat I believe? I certainly did.
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You expected to lose at home in a final at Wembley with pretty much zero Italians allowed in

Really because I never.

And we scored first….
 
changingman said:
Italy were far and away the best side at the Euros, most who had watched the tournament closely expected an England defeat I believe? I certainly did.
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:LOL:

No they weren't.

Italy weren't far and away the best side at the Euro's.

They squeezed past Spain with a large slice of luck.

Spain absolutely dominated them, but just couldn't put the ball in the net. And they ended up winning a shootout.

Even before the semi's against Spain, they were fortunate to beat Austria in the last 16 in which it took Extra Time to get through.

They ended up winning the Euros, and fair play to them...but they never blew anyone away and quite frankly, they relied on a large share of luck.

'Far and away the best side at the Euros' is rewriting history.
 
Pak_Doo_Ik said:
If that happens then we will be in a much better position to win the tournament, if it doesn’t (and I see no reason why they both won’t be in the squad) then our chances a greatly diminished.

Also if they are not part of our Euro plans why did both start our last qualifying game, it’s not like there aren’t viable alternatives???
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experienced alternatives are required. That experience will grow over coming months for the alternative options. As stated above don't underestimate the cultural damage caused by discarding players in a blame type culture, rather than giving other people opportunities to take the position. Certainly last night Philips and Dunk put pressure on Henderson and Maguire. FWIW when stones is fit he will replace Maguire alongside one of Colwill/Guehi/Dunk in the team. Heerson might be backup to Philips too. It's a friendly vs Australia, but with a crunch match at home to Italy a few days later. Anyone who does well for 60 mins vs Aus will probably start vs Italy.
 
Jedi boro said:
You expected to lose at home in a final at Wembley with pretty much zero Italians allowed in

Really because I never.
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It was always going to be a very tight match. If we played Spain, we would have won, but we were a very young side and Italy were on form, had a really strong defence and had experience that we didn't have. It was never going to be a breeze.
 
changingman said:
Of the three tournament "near misses" Croatia is probably the one I'd give us the most chance with. I think we were probably bookies favourites (just) for that tie, although as stated above, they are/were a fantastic team who would give most European teams a good game.

Italy were far and away the best side at the Euros, most who had watched the tournament closely expected an England defeat I believe? I certainly did.

As for France, one of the very best sides in the world, no harm in losing to them, their side is better than ours all over the pitch.
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Italy were the best side at the Euros? Maybe in the group stages but they only just held on in the round of 16 against Austria and the semi final against Spain was won on penalties.

We breezed past Germany and Ukraine before (admittedly luckily) beating Denmark in the semis.
 
We'll have to agree to disagree, I'm not suggesting they were battering teams left, right and centre but they looked incredibly well organised, compact in and out of possession, defensively solid and very difficult to beat. As their tournament victory would testify ;)
 
changingman said:
We'll have to agree to disagree, I'm not suggesting they were battering teams left, right and centre but they looked incredibly well organised, compact in and out of possession, defensively solid and very difficult to beat. As their tournament victory would testify ;)
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I think this is one of those situations where armchair fans don't see the brilliance of organisation, structure, discipline out of possession, ability to apply the press well, and stiffle the opposition of space to exploit. These are all skills, just as much as dribbling or volleyed shots. Italy were superior to everyone else in the 50% of the game out of possession.....and by some distance.

In possession, they were strong at ball retention and midfield runs. They probably lacked a real goalscoring CF, but had enough midfield fluidity to punish sides.

With that defence it didn't surprise me they drew the final. Then it was a coin toss.
 
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