Sao Paulo F1 Grand Prix Weekend

SmallTown said:
I would think that taking the points off Max for 2nd, and giving them to Bottas would be way more preferable to Mercedes than any penalty for the next race
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Unless it is disqualification from Qatar for deliberately endangering an opponent, or whatever it was RedBull were vociferously trying to get Lewis done for at Silverstone of course......................
 
The FIA are digging themselves a bigger hole every hour that goes by without releasing the footage. They have confirmed a decision was made without the footage therefore it would be classed as new evidence.

Even a 5 seconds penalty could have huge ramifications for the driver and constructors title. Not to mention the credibility of the sport, that suddenly doesn't have instant access to the most important camera angle when there is a collision.
 
Chris_Boro said:
The FIA are digging themselves a bigger hole every hour that goes by without releasing the footage. They have confirmed a decision was made without the footage therefore it would be classed as new evidence.

Even a 5 seconds penalty could have huge ramifications for the driver and constructors title. Not to mention the credibility of the sport, that suddenly doesn't have instant access to the most important camera angle when there is a collision.
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Could have even worse consequences. They aren't reigning in the top two. Confusing "let them race" with "let them run into each other"

As I said before they needed to put a lid on it here. Have you seen the Saudi track? Very high speed yet with barriers right up to the track in most places. If Max tries to crash into Lewis here it could end up very badly indeed
 
JM14 said:
Here it is, looks to me like he braked far too late and doesnt even put full lock on until after Hamilton is off the track

https://twitter.com/x/status/1460584835563630593
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TBF that doesn't look as malicious as I thought. He definetely runs him wide though, and others have got 5s penalties for exactly the same thing. I don't think he was trying to hit him though or the wheel would have been straight or even right.

It just looks so suspicious from the outside given how far off the track he himself went
 
SmallTown said:
TBF that doesn't look as malicious as I thought. He definetely runs him wide though, and others have got 5s penalties for exactly the same thing. I don't think he was trying to hit him though or the wheel would have been straight or even right.

It just looks so suspicious from the outside given how far off the track he himself went
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Thats true, but I think his only defence from a penalty was he got onto the dirty part of the track and oversteered into him which isnt the case looking at that. Dont think its as bad as first thought, but he doesnt fully turn into the corner until he is well past the apex because he braked so late. Im certain on every other lap he wouldnt have taken that line. Going by the rules he left the track and gained an advantage as if he didnt Hamilton would have made the corner and passed him, so in line with other penalties thats surely a 5 second penalty

Rules are rules and they have to be consistent to what other drivers have got, and others have had penalties for far less than that.
 
SmallTown said:
TBF that doesn't look as malicious as I thought. He definetely runs him wide though, and others have got 5s penalties for exactly the same thing. I don't think he was trying to hit him though or the wheel would have been straight or even right.

It just looks so suspicious from the outside given how far off the track he himself went
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He never applied full lock until the apex couldn't be seen as Hamilton went past. He definitely ran Hamilton wide intentionally for me, minimum 5 seconds penalty.
 
He makes no attempt to turn into the corner until he is actually off the circuit. Of course steering input is only half the story, may be not even that much, throttle opening and braking also "steer" an F1 car. It is obvious that he brakes way too late and shoots up the inside of Lewis. I believe the telemetry already released shows this. Lewis obviously anticipates this and doesn't try to turn in. Max was behind, two wheels behind before he braked so in many respects he had already "lost the corner". He threw it up the inside so late that he was unable (or unwilling) to make the corner himself. In all the previous laps, in the race, practice and qualifying he had never been remotely late on the brakes at this corner, nor was he this late subsequently. He gained a lasting advantage by exceeding track limits and should have been penalised. The question is not for Max but for the Stewards/Race Director to explain why no punishment was meted out despite the previous clear examples this year when this has been enforced.
 
Verstappen looks at his mirror twice as Hamilton moves along side, then past before deciding not to attempt to hit the apex. The only reason there was no collision was because Hamilton anticipated and took evasive action...again.
 
Something needs doing, the bloke is a liability and his team are unwilling to reign him in. Other drivers should not have to take into account his overly aggressive and dangerous driving in order to protect themselves.

hard racing but fair racing, Verstappen seems unable to know when to draw the line.
 
Caesium137 said:
The illegal rear wing on the Merc caused a sonic boom, the shock wave of which destabilized the front wing of 'honest as the day is long, safe driver and all round good egg' Max's car?
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Sounds reasonable. Also if you look closer, you can see what looks to be a mini grapple fired from Hamilton's car on to Verstappen's steering wheel, pulling it right. You have to look reeaaallly close though 🧐.
 
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