MikeSkinner
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You know fine well its not as easy as that, that's why a lot of fans put trust in and backed RF to be that push.
Red faction statement.. ticket prices
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And that is actually where it's at. No amount of speaking out, posturing on here or noisy protest means a great deal . At the end of the day, people will pay and go or they won't. And if they don't, then there's a new reality to face for the club.
Unravel_Morrison
Well-known member
Well, I can honestly say I wouldn't have become a fan at today's prices and even if I had wouldve had to stop once adult prices kicked in as I went away to Uni.
I'm in a position where its not convenient for me due to living down South to get a ST but I don't even bother looking at the train prices now to see if I can get a cheap rail fare, I just don't think its good value.
The last few years have been a bit mad in the world generally and I presumed I hadn't been to a home match due to that. Looking back though, last time I gave Boro some money will have been for Cup away matches and in the league, probably nearly 8 years ago.
I thought I'd maybe give up in my 60s like the old blokes I used to talk to in the workies. I didn't make it into my 40s and football in general and especially complicit clubs like ours need to accept the majority of the blame for people either walking away from it completely or at least holding the experience of attendance at arms length.
Sure; explain that your lowest paid staff actually still won't be paid enough, tell us about the rising costs of energy and whatever else the rest of us all have to put up with, however I can confirm that I personally have not just agreed to take 50% more money in TV rights. They take all of us for idiots, even if half the time they're too stupid to see it themselves.
I'm in a position where its not convenient for me due to living down South to get a ST but I don't even bother looking at the train prices now to see if I can get a cheap rail fare, I just don't think its good value.
The last few years have been a bit mad in the world generally and I presumed I hadn't been to a home match due to that. Looking back though, last time I gave Boro some money will have been for Cup away matches and in the league, probably nearly 8 years ago.
I thought I'd maybe give up in my 60s like the old blokes I used to talk to in the workies. I didn't make it into my 40s and football in general and especially complicit clubs like ours need to accept the majority of the blame for people either walking away from it completely or at least holding the experience of attendance at arms length.
Sure; explain that your lowest paid staff actually still won't be paid enough, tell us about the rising costs of energy and whatever else the rest of us all have to put up with, however I can confirm that I personally have not just agreed to take 50% more money in TV rights. They take all of us for idiots, even if half the time they're too stupid to see it themselves.
I didn't,
But with all due respects , finances completely change the comparison.
Finances, both in club expenditure and what it charges fans is THE major issue in the room.
Unless there's something 70s related I can't see ?
MikeSkinner
Member
There was no 'noisy protest' so you don't know what could of come.
Norman_Conquest
Well-known member
Why isn't it, you've got the attention of everyone on here, surely that's a start.
Full house, better atmosphere, improved performance, better feel good factor for fans, players, club, area and mental health of god knows how many fans. What’s stopping this happening? Stupid prices. The club is out of touch with reality. Families are cutting down on the absolute basics due to the shambles the country has become. What do boro do? Have a complete mare in the transfer market, sell our best players and then increase prices. Wouldn’t mind if prices were inline with clubs at our level. Gibbo should be in government, fills his own pockets whilst laughing at the working class.
Simply red
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As a voice for the majority RF should stand up to the club and ask them to consider changes that most people deem sensible .
To let the club make a stand , without more negotiations means fans will make a stand , me being one , who has been a fan for 50 year.
I will go for the rest of this season , but , that is it, for me and many more .
Shiite in your own nest comes to mind .
RF are a small group of young enthusiastic lads who are enjoying the limelight. There is more to being a Boro fan than RF .
I , and many more have followed Boro before most of you were born .
Grew up standing in the middle of the Holgate , and followed the club everywhere.
If RF want to help , speak for the majority not just your group.
The club are taking the P. And the stupid thing is , it's probably only 2/3 people making the decisions .
How the F--k can there be a meeting to talk , and it ends up at this?
Makes me cringe .
Glover_elbow
Well-known member
Sounds like your trying to hush down any criticism of the club on this forum in regard to unreasonably high ticket prices.
Glover_elbow
Well-known member
Deflection and gas lighting abounds
I'd suggest there's a 2nd step between "will pay " and "won't pay " .
" Can't pay + Can't justify paying "
( because of decisions the club makes regarding pricing for new ST / child tickets / spread payment and walk ups prices )
r00fie1
Well-known member
“If RF want to help, speak for the majority, not just your group”
That surely also goes for all the other fan groups too.
There is no “majority” - as we can see on this thread.
Those who feel the need to lead and get involved, will.
We all need to pull together and back the lads on the pitch, no matter what we think of them, the club, the chairman, or the weather
Glover_elbow
Well-known member
Interesting gibson informed supporters forum on the 5th about season ticket rises
Seems all very passive from the minutes until the RF got involved
atypical_boro
Well-known member
Of course, part of the problem economically is that “the fans” are represented in negotiations, usually, by fan groups who are the most committed and passionate of fans, and far more likely to put themselves into debt to renew their season tickets than the middle class family with a passing interest in football who got a season ticket 3 years ago because they enjoyed Euro 2021 and the Lionesses success and liked what the club were doing with Carrick.
Or the working class family who like football but can’t afford to dedicate all of their spare time or money to it and never intended to have their season ticket forever, and accepted years ago they couldn’t watch the Boro week in week out every single year.
It’s really these fans that the club will lose, but of course, “the fans” can’t win because those fans aren’t actually bothered enough to stage protests and lobby the chairman. They just ignore the renewal emails. But their money is as good as anyone else’s.
Ultimately, every single fan has a line at which they don’t believe it delivers value for money anymore, and once that line is breached they stop. Gibson knows that lots of our fans are still nowhere near at that level and, as someone to whom capitalism has been very generous to, will be well aware that you have to nudge the line before you can really feel it.
Or the working class family who like football but can’t afford to dedicate all of their spare time or money to it and never intended to have their season ticket forever, and accepted years ago they couldn’t watch the Boro week in week out every single year.
It’s really these fans that the club will lose, but of course, “the fans” can’t win because those fans aren’t actually bothered enough to stage protests and lobby the chairman. They just ignore the renewal emails. But their money is as good as anyone else’s.
Ultimately, every single fan has a line at which they don’t believe it delivers value for money anymore, and once that line is breached they stop. Gibson knows that lots of our fans are still nowhere near at that level and, as someone to whom capitalism has been very generous to, will be well aware that you have to nudge the line before you can really feel it.
Unravel_Morrison
Well-known member
Possibly the biggest problem is that there isn't an actual fix available to anyone. I dont think it applies to us as much but at Manu levels they don't care and that lack of care filters down. They just merchandise it.
Does Gibson really care if I don't go half a dozen times a season? I doubt it. Its the worst player in the squads money for a few days.
I realise this is outside the scope of this thread but the business outside of the fans going to games being so terrible is why we need to put prices up (if we ignore footballer wages). We really do follow the biggest idiots.
Unravel_Morrison
Well-known member
And as for anyone calling out the RF boys, how did your meeting with Gibson go?
Ayresome_park
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I think you will find there are plenty of fans who think it's time for Steve Gibson to move onto pastures new!!
What Steve has achieved has been incredible and I thank Steve for some of the greatest memories I'll ever have following the boro, but everything must come to a end and sadly Steve's time was up along time ago now!!
Middlesbrough fc is stagnant, we have stood still for years, there is no ambition, ticket prices are through the roof with no or little respect for the fans. Steve Gibson unfortunately cannot take this club any further, some fans don't like that opinion but that's the reality. There is not a chance he can compete in the Premier league with the billionaires, how much more money is he going to need should we get promoted?
He now takes the fans for granted and this ticket situation has sickened alot of fans and its simply not good enough.
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SmoggyRambo
Active member
What were the reasons for the price increase? Why are they set at that price?
parmoboy
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To be honest, I think now probably would be a good time for Gibson to give an interview and explain the reasoning behind the price rise, particularly as we've had consecutive yearly rises in ST prices now.
I've defended Gibson when some have claimed he's hiding from the fans, arguing my point that he is notorious for not giving interviews and communicating with fans, and that's been the same through the good times and the bad.
I feel however that the level of discontent in regards to the ticket pricing is at its peak now, and it's a real concern that so many have stated that they're not going to renew.
Interestingly, I've just come across this article from 2014, which gives an explanation as to why the club increased ST prices by 6%. I think the club coming out and giving us an explanation now would be appreciated by many, even if many would disagree with the merit of that explanation.
www.gazettelive.co.uk
I've defended Gibson when some have claimed he's hiding from the fans, arguing my point that he is notorious for not giving interviews and communicating with fans, and that's been the same through the good times and the bad.
I feel however that the level of discontent in regards to the ticket pricing is at its peak now, and it's a real concern that so many have stated that they're not going to renew.
Interestingly, I've just come across this article from 2014, which gives an explanation as to why the club increased ST prices by 6%. I think the club coming out and giving us an explanation now would be appreciated by many, even if many would disagree with the merit of that explanation.
Boro's season card price increase explained with early-bird deadline extended
Middlesbrough season-card prices have increased by around 6%
www.gazettelive.co.uk