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HarryVegas said:
Yes, almost as stupid as voting for something that every economic expert tells you will damage your own country.
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To be fair, Patrick Minford predicted it would be good for the country, with the exception of many UK manufacturing industries. His post referendum forecasts have of course been shown to be the most inaccurate of any.

Then there is Ruth Lea, who didn't even understand the basics of sanitary and phytosanitary checks, so expert is she.

https://twitter.com/x/status/987089608856006656


Oh, and Andrew Lillico. FFS! :LOL:
 
Here is the helpful video the French have done for goods exporters to the Continent after December. Can any Leave voters explain what is so good about this?

 
SmallTown said:
So they should take some of the blame, for pointing at that something that is stupid, is stupid?

Wow.
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Well I’m referencing the 2016 referendum

There were actually viable options such a closer relationship to the eu which could have been good for the U.K.

remained shouted down at leavers in 2016 and that entrenched them for the next 4 years. For that they have have to take some of the blame in my opinion
 
Colgates_shaving_foam said:
Howey lads, you can't have your cake and eat it.

Leave voters need to own this, you cannot blame remain voters for this omnishambles.
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@Muttley

Both asked the same question. The ultimate blame is not with remain camp, but they can still be attributed with some blame.

With every mistake they are a number of things that cause an issue.

Interesting you assume in an brexiteer, I actually want to remain in the eu. I voted leave initially but realised quite quickly I made a mistake
 
GazC_MFC said:
For that they have have to take some of the blame in my opinion
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Nope, not taking ANY of the blame for this clusterfukk.

Any hope of a "soft Brexit" was thrown out of the pram when Theresa May committed to a set of red lines that excluded any possibility of (for example) leaving the EU but staying in the Single Market, the Customs Union and with a measure of freedom of movement a bit like Norway. At that point and ever since the rhetoric was "you lost, get over it" my view now is "you won, get on with it".

There is a devil on my shoulder wishing for this to be absolutely catastrophic, but I cannot wish harm on my country. So, if we do enter the "sunlit uplands" after concluding the "easiest of deals" because we "held all the cards" I am prepared to congratulate the visionary ethos of the farsighted Brexiteers. But that triumph will be nothing to do with me and neither will the (far more likely) disastrous failure.
 
Lefty said:
Made up twitter thread?



This is a common mistake of stupid people. It is not having a different opinion that makes one stupid, it is having a stupid one.

I refer you to Law 3.
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Nope - Law 3 doesn’t cover that. It is your opinion that a vote for leave is stupid. It states receiving no gain, in 20 years time if I incur losses short term but 20 years later I have gained more then I lost then I’m not the stupid one. There is no evidence you can state that can disprove that unless you invent a time machine.

I would class stupid as bleating on about something that happened 4 years ago, something that is happening whether you like it or not and spending everyday trawling the internet to find videos, reports to post on a message board which still has zero influence on the approaching decision you believe is so wrong.

Stupid should realise that berating other people with a different view as stupid only leads to a negative outcome for their view or cause. See Brexit 2016 and General Election 2019 as examples
 
A man is cleaning a gun and has the barrel pointing at his head has he polishes away, a more experienced colleague says ‘hey don’t clean your gun like that you’ll hurt or kill yourself’ the first man says ‘don’t talk to me like that I know how to clean a.......BANG!!!!!’ shoots his nose off and the ricochet takes the nose off the second man who says ‘are you ok ? I told you you were doing it wrong’ Man one says ‘don’t talk to me it’s your fault I shot myself, talking down to me like that entrenched me into believing my way was right’
 
Trying to apportion blame on the very people who voted against doing something, the perceived wisdom of which is now being called into question, just about sums up political conjecture in 2020. Lies, extrication and finger pointing designed to obscure personal motive or misplaced trust.
 
Lefty said:
This is a common mistake of stupid people. It is not having a different opinion that makes one stupid, it is having a stupid one.
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^^ This, we all see this over and over again!

They don't realise that a different opinion can be either stupid or wrong. They also feel their opinion is worth the same as that of an expert, since they all went for the "we don't believe/ trust experts". I don't know any remainers saying they were an expert (other than the ones that actually were experts), all they were saying is listen to the experts as they know best.
 
Cooper671 said:
Nope - Law 3 doesn’t cover that. It is your opinion that a vote for leave is stupid. It states receiving no gain, in 20 years time if I incur losses short term but 20 years later I have gained more then I lost then I’m not the stupid one. There is no evidence you can state that can disprove that unless you invent a time machine.

I would class stupid as bleating on about something that happened 4 years ago, something that is happening whether you like it or not and spending everyday trawling the internet to find videos, reports to post on a message board which still has zero influence on the approaching decision you believe is so wrong.

Stupid should realise that berating other people with a different view as stupid only leads to a negative outcome for their view or cause. See Brexit 2016 and General Election 2019 as examples
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Thank you for reminding me so eloquently of Law 4. :LOL:
 
Cooper671 said:
Nope - Law 3 doesn’t cover that. It is your opinion that a vote for leave is stupid. It states receiving no gain, in 20 years time if I incur losses short term but 20 years later I have gained more then I lost then I’m not the stupid one. There is no evidence you can state that can disprove that unless you invent a time machine.
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But also, this in itself has so many logical fallacies.

Your position is this:

We cannot know the future as we do not have a time machine, therefore we cannot predict the future.

Since we cannot predict the future, all forecasting is pointless.

If an event has two possible outcomes the probability of each outcome must be equal.

If the outcome of making a decision is equally likely to be good or bad, there is no point bothering with any detailed analysis, or listening to people who have specialised/are experienced in a particular field.

We should therefore always make our decisions without reasoning, but on gut feeling or the flip of a coin.

So, Coops, is this how you indeed make all your other decisions?
 
Well I would say you could predict what would happen if we remained and that was the status quo. You knew pretty much what the country would be like in 20 years time in regards to our relationship with Europe and other nations.

What you couldn’t predict is what it would be like if we left. Better? Worse? Worse at 1st then better long term?

So there in lies the risk. If you are prepared to gamble that things could get better but realise at the same time you are running the risk they could get worse also is it worth taking the chance?

If you believe the status quo isn’t what you want and want to gamble then vote to leave (well not now that ship has sailed)
 
Government expects around 400 mill additional customs declarations a yr as of 2021 (imports & exports). Ex-HMRC head Jon Thompson in 2018 estimated that a single declaration would have an average cost of £32.50

400,000,000 x £32.50 = £13 billion That's £250 million a week!

Let's save our NHS instead, eh?
 
Cooper671 said:
Well I would say you could predict what would happen if we remained and that was the status quo. You knew pretty much what the country would be like in 20 years time in regards to our relationship with Europe and other nations.

What you couldn’t predict is what it would be like if we left. Better? Worse? Worse at 1st then better long term?

So there in lies the risk. If you are prepared to gamble that things could get better but realise at the same time you are running the risk they could get worse also is it worth taking the chance?

If you believe the status quo isn’t what you want and want to gamble then vote to leave (well not now that ship has sailed)
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You haven't answered my question? Is that how you make your other decisions?
 
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