PMQs

[Soutra]

The 2020 Downing St Christmas Party does seem to be a strange choice for PMQs, especially when Boris wasn't there.

Do many people care that much about something that happened a year ago?
As BBG suggested, wouldn't the dead migrants be a better issue on which to concentrate an attack on the government?
And why try to suggest that the government's dealings are shambolic when Labour's recent history is just as shambolic?

The government has plenty to defend and very little that's going right, but Labour's picking issues that either don't matter to many people, or issues where its own record is shaky. I do hope there's a grand plan for Labour, but at the moment it looks like a lot of effort is being exerted for very little reward.

 

[Cardiffdaffs]

The 2020 Downing St Christmas Party does seem to be a strange choice for PMQs, especially when Boris wasn't there.

Do many people care that much about something that happened a year ago?
As BBG suggested, wouldn't the dead migrants be a better issue on which to concentrate an attack on the government?
And why try to suggest that the government's dealings are shambolic when Labour's recent history is just as shambolic?

The government has plenty to defend and very little that's going right, but Labour's picking issues that either don't matter to many people, or issues where its own record is shaky. I do hope there's a grand plan for Labour, but at the moment it looks like a lot of effort is being exerted for very little reward.

So the building of 40 new hospitals and lying about it doesn't matter to you?

 

[Chris_Boro]

Everyone is fully aware of Johnson's failings and I certainly don't ignore them at all, I just can't understand how people are still fooled by Starmer. He too is a liar but more importantly he is totally useless as a politician.

No they are not aware or he wouldn't be Prime Minister and because of your opinion of Starmer, nothing he does is right and everything is wrong to the point your willing to make such an incorrect generalisation about Johnson to excuse it.

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

No they are not aware or he wouldn't be Prime Minister and because of your opinion of Starmer, nothing he does is right and everything is wrong to the point your willing to make such an incorrect generalisation about Johnson to excuse it.

He ripped up every pledge that won him the leadership.
He concealed huge donations from the Zionist movement into his leadership campaign.
He is hounding left wing Jews out of the party.
He is failing to address racism and Islamophobia within his party.
He has broken his own party's rules on suspensions.
As a former high flying QC he is totally useless at the podium, he can't seem to say more than three words without looking at his notes.

You sound like some kind of anti-Starmer extremist that is quite happy to let everything burn

Yet I am an extremist for being totally underwhelmed by the man who promised to unite the party.

 

[Unravel_Morrison]

The 2020 Downing St Christmas Party does seem to be a strange choice for PMQs, especially when Boris wasn't there.

Do many people care that much about something that happened a year ago?
As BBG suggested, wouldn't the dead migrants be a better issue on which to concentrate an attack on the government?
And why try to suggest that the government's dealings are shambolic when Labour's recent history is just as shambolic?

The government has plenty to defend and very little that's going right, but Labour's picking issues that either don't matter to many people, or issues where its own record is shaky. I do hope there's a grand plan for Labour, but at the moment it looks like a lot of effort is being exerted for very little reward.

It wasn't the Downing Street Christmas Party; it was 2 gatherings at the time when they were implementing the latest lockdown.

It does matter to some people. A lot of the news websites, TV and radio shows are leading with it. It continues the story of him not playing by he rules.

I agree that the dead people issue is a good subject to attack the government on, but in a direct question to Johnson, it's less effective in terms of playing to the public.

 

[BoroMart]

Aspana Begum is the survivor of domestic abuse. Her council - Tower Hamlets - sided with her ex husband and his family and then took her to court on charges of housing fraud. Luckily she won or she could have been jailed. There is a worrying trend toward Islamophobia in the Labour party today and Starmer is doing nothing to address it.

I don't think Islamaphobia is rife in the Labour Party at all. Lets just get the context right, the Tories successfully spun a lie that the Labour Party was rife with anti-semitism, it wasn't, of course a party so large would have some sordid people, but the vast majority are not. The idea of supporting muslim people is now considered anti-semitic. It has been spun to the point that any support for islamic people is persistently put through the lens of 'this is an anti-semitic' stance. Labour have now taken a step back from this, because of the stupidity of the British public in buying this nonsense.

The major racism and xenophobia in British politics comes from this government and the far right which has infested the very core of the Tory Party. If we are going to through mud at anyone for this it's the PM with his watermelon smiles and letterboxes, and Priti Patel with her persistent dehumanising of immigrants.

 

[MolteniArcore]

He ripped up every pledge that won him the leadership.
He concealed huge donations from the Zionist movement into his leadership campaign.
He is hounding left wing Jews out of the party.
He is failing to address racism and Islamophobia within his party.
He has broken his own party's rules on suspensions.
As a former high flying QC he is totally useless at the podium, he can't seem to say more than three words without looking at his notes.

Yet I am an extremist for being totally underwhelmed by the man who promised to unite the party.

I think this was a thread about PMQ's until you derailed it. We all know you hate Starmer. You might see from most of the replies to you on here we don't care that you feel that way.

Maybe start another thread on it and leave this one be so we can continue to discuss PMQ's.

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

Maybe start another thread on it and leave this one be so we can continue to discuss PMQ's.

I was discussing PMQs. I said I didn't think it was particularly good, but that ain't allowed for his fanboys on here. Now I'll leave you to your discussion.

 

[WeeGord]

I was discussing PMQs. I said I didn't think it was particularly good, but that ain't allowed for his fanboys on here. Now I'll leave you to your discussion.

BBG I am not a 'fanboy' and think using ridiculous expressions like that detracts from the argument. I get you're not a big supporter of him, I'm no 'fanboy' either - look through all the old threads and you'll see I was every bit a Corbyn supporter as anyone else on this forum. However, I accept the situation for what it is, Starmer is the leader of the Labour Party at this point in time and I would rather support him as best as I can in our journey to try and displace this corrupt government rather than fight against him and allow the fractions in the Labour Party help keep Johnson et al in place.

It's a really easy choice and should be even for you - Starmer is without doubt the lesser of two evils even in your world so why not unite as best as we can and try to collectively do all we can to make sure Johnson and his Tory cronies are ran out of town at the next election because by God the sick, the poor and the homeless need that to happen.

 

[BoroFur]

I was discussing PMQs. I said I didn't think it was particularly good, but that ain't allowed for his fanboys on here. Now I'll leave you to your discussion.

Ah fanboys, you've let your mask slip with your insults.

Corbyn isn't coming back, suck it up buttercup.

 

[Lefty]

The Far Left remembering to attack the right enemy for a change. They should do it more, they are good at that, but just look ridiculous and small when bickering with their own.

 

[BoroFur]

The 2020 Downing St Christmas Party does seem to be a strange choice for PMQs, especially when Boris wasn't there.

Do many people care that much about something that happened a year ago?
As BBG suggested, wouldn't the dead migrants be a better issue on which to concentrate an attack on the government?
And why try to suggest that the government's dealings are shambolic when Labour's recent history is just as shambolic?

The government has plenty to defend and very little that's going right, but Labour's picking issues that either don't matter to many people, or issues where its own record is shaky. I do hope there's a grand plan for Labour, but at the moment it looks like a lot of effort is being exerted for very little reward.

Dead migrants?
Are you sure you don't mean dead people?

Labour's recent history hasn't been in Government presiding over one debacle after another which have impacted on the lives of ordinary folk.

It's posters like you doing your damndest to deflect all criticism of Johnson onto Starmer which defies logic and rationale.

 

[BoroFur]

I was discussing PMQs. I said I didn't think it was particularly good, but that ain't allowed for his fanboys on here. Now I'll leave you to your discussion.

Yet here you are still viewing the thread you've done your utmost to derail.

 

[jam69]

Starmer spent plenty of time exposing johnsons lies in relation to new hospitals, not sure what more he can do at PMQs .
I feel there's much more he can do and often falls short but the MSM are not really interested and a good chunk of the public are not either

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

BBG I am not a 'fanboy' and think using ridiculous expressions like that detracts from the argument. I get you're not a big supporter of him, I'm no 'fanboy' either - look through all the old threads and you'll see I was every bit a Corbyn supporter as anyone else on this forum. However, I accept the situation for what it is, Starmer is the leader of the Labour Party at this point in time and I would rather support him as best as I can in our journey to try and displace this corrupt government rather than fight against him and allow the fractions in the Labour Party help keep Johnson et al in place.

It's a really easy choice and should be even for you - Starmer is without doubt the lesser of two evils even in your world so why not unite as best as we can and try to collectively do all we can to make sure Johnson and his Tory cronies are ran out of town at the next election because by God the sick, the poor and the homeless need that to happen.

WeeGord, I wasn't referring to everyone as a fanboy, just those who can't accept his weaknesses, deceptions and outright lies. For me, the lesser of two evils is still evil. I can understand your stance that Johnson needs to go but for me it is much more of a long game. Socialism hasn't lost the war, just the battle, and I believe that rather than move on we concentrate on changing minds and winning the argument. I believe the Labour Party has been hijacked by the right wing and there is no getting it back. Better to concentrate on a new left wing party that represents all of the people and lead by people who are not afraid to reveal their beliefs to the public. There is a dearth of real politicians doing real politics in this country and far too many see it as lucrative passtime.

My hopes are not for me but for my children's children.

 

[BlindBoyGrunt]

Yet here you are still viewing the thread you've done your utmost to derail.View attachment 28969

Wow, a real Gotcha moment. However I did happen to notice that a poster who I particularly respect had quoted me and I came on to read and reply to his post. But yeah, you got me, here's a rosette.

 

[BoroFur]

Wow, a real Gotcha moment. However I did happen to notice that a poster who I particularly respect had quoted me and I came on to read and reply to his post. But yeah, you got me, here's a rosette.

Will that be one who you've labelled a 'fanboy' because I'm sure the posters you've responded to in a derogatory manner don't share your insulting characterisation of Starmer.

Nice bit of passive aggression there as well so here's something for you

 

[gregorgregorovich]

The Far Left remembering to attack the right enemy for a change. They should do it more, they are good at that, but just look ridiculous and small when bickering with their own.

The bickering appears to be coming from all sides to me. Lefty, just because some people have views to the left of yours, doesn't necessarily mean they are far left. Someone uses the word fanboy and is replied to with the word buttercup, and this is from people on the same side (roughly) of the political spectrum.Prior to the last election, I spent a lot of my time trying to persuade my friends to vote for a Corbyn led Labour Party. It seems, that at the next election I will have to persuade some other friends to vote for a Starmer led Labour Party. I will do the latter with the same belief and passion that I did the former. Hopefully next time with more success at the Polls. Tories out.

 

[BoroFur]

The bickering appears to be coming from all sides to me. Lefty, just because some people have views to the left of yours, doesn't necessarily mean they are far left. Someone uses the word fanboy and is replied to with the word buttercup, and this is from people on the same side (roughly) of the political spectrum.Prior to the last election, I spent a lot of my time trying to persuade my friends to vote for a Corbyn led Labour Party. It seems, that at the next election I will have to persuade some other friends to vote for a Starmer led Labour Party. I will do the latter with the same belief and passion that I did the former. Hopefully next time with more success at the Polls. Tories out.

Hands up, the buttercup comment came from me

 

[Soutra]

Dead migrants?


Labour's recent history hasn't been in Government presiding over one debacle after another which have impacted on the lives of ordinary folk.

It's posters like you doing your damndest to deflect all criticism of Johnson onto Starmer which defies logic and rationale.

I'm not defending the government or trying to deflect criticism at all. I want Labour to form an effective opposition and exert stress on the government. At the moment it looks like one bunch of incompetents criticising another. Every time Labour comes closer in the polls then someone screws up and it's advantage over. The reshuffle - what reshuffle? - just seems like another opportunity missed.