PMQs

All the material is being gathered for party broadcasts and social media campaigns of Johnsons lies, getting him on record lying, time, and time again will destroy his credibility, same for the corruption and the u-turns and the failure to follow the manifesto they were elected on
 
BoroMart said:
All the material is being gathered for party broadcasts and social media campaigns of Johnsons lies, getting him on record lying, time, and time again will destroy his credibility, same for the corruption and the u-turns and the failure to follow the manifesto they were elected on
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Exactly this, Starmer's attacks aren't about getting Johnson to admit being a liar, that's not going to happen, it's about the next election and being able to destroy the Tories credibility whenever they launch their next manifesto.
 
BoroFur said:
Any stick to beat him with eh Billy?

The focus of his questions wasn't about Christmas parties per se as you well know but one rule for them and another for the rest of us.

Starmer has said plenty about the migrant issue including those poor souls who lost their lives last week in the channel.

Shame on you for suggesting that he doesn't care.
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What possible purchase could he get from something that happened this time last year? He could have spent time on the continued privatisation of the NHS or the new restrictions on protesting that was shamelessly sneaked in on the back of another bill and which lead us further into a totalitarian state.
As for caring, well he chooses his cases carefully. He wrote a stern tweet about Tzipi Hotoveli being jeered outside of the LSE but when Zara Sultana faced horrendous racism on social media whilst off on bereavement leave, he said not one word.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
As for caring, well he chooses his cases carefully. He wrote a stern tweet about Tzipi Hotoveli being jeered outside of the LSE but when Zara Sultana faced horrendous racism on social media whilst off on bereavement leave, he said not one word.
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are you saying he MUST comment on every single good or bad occurrence in this country otherwise he's a charlatan? That's just stupid
 
When you have a PM who doesn't care about the conventions of Parliament, which used to hold MP's to account, to some extent. That requires shame though, but this current Conservative Party has none and their media are prepared to let a lot slide if it keeps them in power doing the things they want.

As we have no written constitution and many grey areas in law, with toothless overseers, as soon as this lot decided they were unaccountable with no real sanctions or consequences, other than via the ballot box, they chose to ignore everything while they are protected by a minority via the fptp voting system and voter apathy.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
What possible purchase could he get from something that happened this time last year? He could have spent time on the continued privatisation of the NHS or the new restrictions on protesting that was shamelessly sneaked in on the back of another bill and which lead us further into a totalitarian state.
As for caring, well he chooses his cases carefully. He wrote a stern tweet about Tzipi Hotoveli being jeered outside of the LSE but when Zara Sultana faced horrendous racism on social media whilst off on bereavement leave, he said not one word.
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I'm not sure that you understand the modern day PMQ's Blind. Continued privatisation can be easily batted away.

There is a two pronged narrative that Labour are highlighting every week:

1. One rule for them, one rule for us
2. Johnson and his party are sleazy liars

Starmer week in week out highlights these points well - come the election all this ammunition will then be used.

OR

Would you prefer: "Jeremy from London has written in to ask me why he can't get his bins emptied every week? His local authority says it's due to the HGV driver shortage"
 
Instead of using so called unparliamentary language, he could use Dennis Skinners line from a few years ago and call him "a purveyor of terminological inexactitudes".
 
BoroMart said:
are you saying he MUST comment on every single good or bad occurrence in this country otherwise he's a charlatan? That's just stupid
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Zara Sultana is one of his own MPs, of course he should have something to say about what happened to her. He is her boss. There have also been strong rumours this last week that she, along with Apsana Begum, the victim of a concocted attempt by the right of her part to oust her via imprisonment, that thankfully fell apart in court, Diane Abbott and Taiwo Owatemi are all the focus of plans to deselect them before the next GE. A word from Starmer would put that to bed.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Zara Sultana is one of his own MPs, of course he should have something to say about what happened to her. He is her boss. There have also been strong rumours this last week that she, along with Apsana Begum, the victim of a concocted attempt by the right of her part to oust her via imprisonment, that thankfully fell apart in court, Diane Abbott and Taiwo Owatemi are all the focus of plans to deselect them before the next GE. A word from Starmer would put that to bed.
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Racism is an everyday occurrence sadly, he can't comment on every single racist incident otherwise he will never address any other issues. I think what you are really saying is that he isn't supporting Corbynites, rather than he isn't fighting racism. That's par for the course when a new leader is selected. Hopefully the same will happen when Johnson is usurped and all his mates are booted from the Tory party.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
I don't know if you watched it but he batted everything else away this afternoon.
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Just because he waffled a non answer that does not mean he batted it away.

The public can believe Johnson's NHS responses as they have spent a lot of money on the NHS - that's mainly due to Civid and not choice but they have spent it.

He can't bat away questions about a Christmas party that the media are now reporting as 'Johnson has not denied it'. Easy points scored for Starmer and ensures that Johnson faces another day or two of bad reporting.
 
BoroMart said:
Racism is an everyday occurrence sadly, he can't comment on every single racist incident otherwise he will never address any other issues. I think what you are really saying is that he isn't supporting Corbynites, rather than he isn't fighting racism. That's par for the course when a new leader is selected. Hopefully the same will happen when Johnson is usurped and all his mates are booted from the Tory party.
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Aspana Begum is the survivor of domestic abuse. Her council - Tower Hamlets - sided with her ex husband and his family and then took her to court on charges of housing fraud. Luckily she won or she could have been jailed. There is a worrying trend toward Islamophobia in the Labour party today and Starmer is doing nothing to address it.
 
Chris_Boro said:
He never batted everything away at all, he turned red, got all shouty and was forced into repeated lies that are being repeated in the media.

Any other time such performances would be the end of a Prime Minister, now its just another Wednesday afternoon.
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That's all he ever does, but if you're going to get him to lie, get him to lie about something people care about, not a party from a year ago.

MolteniArcore said:
He can't bat away questions about a Christmas party
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Perfect opportunity for him to allude to this week's news of the shoddy treatment and possible rift between him and Angela Rayner, and he did, reminding the house that Starmer had organised his own party's celebration and not invited her. That, after initiating a reshuffle behind her back.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
That's all he ever does, but if you're going to get him to lie, get him to lie about something people care about, not a party from a year ago.


Perfect opportunity for him to allude to this week's news of the shoddy treatment and possible rift between him and Angela Rayner, and he did, reminding the house that Starmer had organised his own party's celebration and not invited her. That after initiating a reshuffle behind her back.
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Just listened to the news on the radio. The first report was about the Downing Street Christmas party, people do care.

There are also people like you that will find fault in everything Starmer does rather than the most corrupt and dishonest PM we've ever had.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
That's all he ever does, but if you're going to get him to lie, get him to lie about something people care about, not a party from a year ago.


Perfect opportunity for him to allude to this week's news of the shoddy treatment and possible rift between him and Angela Rayner, and he did, reminding the house that Starmer had organised his own party's celebration and not invited her. That, after initiating a reshuffle behind her back.
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That will barely make the news. The Christmas party is the headline grabber.

I know you don't like him but you are really clutching at straws here. And if you don't care that he held 2 Christmas parties when we were in lockdown (against the rules and possibly the law) but you care that Starmer didn't invite the Deputy Leader to his legal Christmas party there is something very misguided there with your thought processes. You sound like some kind of anti-Starmer extremist that is quite happy to let everything burn as long as he looks bad.
 
Chris_Boro said:
There are also people like you that will find fault in everything Starmer does rather than the most corrupt and dishonest PM we've ever had.
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Everyone is fully aware of Johnson's failings and I certainly don't ignore them at all, I just can't understand how people are still fooled by Starmer. He too is a liar but more importantly he is totally useless as a politician.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
Everyone is fully aware of Johnson's failings and I certainly don't ignore them at all, I just can't understand how people are still fooled by Starmer. He too is a liar but more importantly he is totally useless as a politician.
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"Everyone is fully aware of Johnson's failings"
It's quite plain as the nose on your face they aren't

"he is totally useless as a politician."
You obviously have that opinion certainly
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
What possible purchase could he get from something that happened this time last year? He could have spent time on the continued privatisation of the NHS or the new restrictions on protesting that was shamelessly sneaked in on the back of another bill and which lead us further into a totalitarian state.
As for caring, well he chooses his cases carefully. He wrote a stern tweet about Tzipi Hotoveli being jeered outside of the LSE but when Zara Sultana faced horrendous racism on social media whilst off on bereavement leave, he said not one word.
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Just write to him and ask him to put a question to Johnson on your behalf. You know, like Corbyn used to do.

If I could be arsed I'd go back and do a critique of Corbyn's performance at PMQs but I don't recall him holding any Tory feet to the flames on anything.
 
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