Payero

I’ve seen McGree look really poor on a few occasions now. At Preston he was diabolical. Similar in at least one at The Riverside.
I want him to be what we thought.
I think Payero has much more quality.
Payero has been looked poor/lost in all but one appearance so far. McGree might have had a few games where things haven’t gone right for him but he always looks like he knows what he’s doing and he puts the work in off the ball.

I get that you could hope with his pedigree that Payero might end up being better but from what we have seen McGree vs Payero isn’t even close. If Wilder “pies” him off then it’s because he hasn’t been anywhere close to good enough.

I hope he can turn it around but we have literally nothing to go off that suggests he will other than he played for Argentina’s u23 team a few times.
 
It’s not a case of McGree vs Payero anyway. They could play in the same team or most likely sit on the same bench. McGree is Tavs back up and until he leaves Payero is Crooks back up. If Wilder wants to let Payero go ( who is allegedly pushing for the loan move) then I think it’s because Wilder thinks he’s not ready yet for championship football, he was injured for most of the season and he needs games. Wilder will feel he can bring someone more ‘ready’ to compete with Crooks.
 
It’s not a case of McGree vs Payero anyway. They could play in the same team or most likely sit on the same bench. McGree is Tavs back up and until he leaves Payero is Crooks back up. If Wilder wants to let Payero go ( who is allegedly pushing for the loan move) then I think it’s because Wilder thinks he’s not ready yet for championship football, he was injured for most of the season and he needs games. Wilder will feel he can bring someone more ‘ready’ to compete with Crooks.
I'm not sure McGree is a back up in Wilder's mind. That concerns me a bit.

I also wasn't making it about Payero v McGree for exactly the same position, merely their relative quality.

At the end of the day, Wilder is manager and rightly makes the calls. It doesn't mean you have to agree with them all.
 
I'm not sure McGree is a back up in Wilder's mind. That concerns me a bit.

I also wasn't making it about Payero v McGree for exactly the same position, merely their relative quality.

At the end of the day, Wilder is manager and rightly makes the calls. It doesn't mean you have to agree with them all.
I think he is, if Tavernier stays i I think McGree has to earn his place. Tavernier will be Wilders no 1. Especially if we sign a starting left wing back which we surely will do.
 
I think he is, if Tavernier stays i I think McGree has to earn his place. Tavernier will be Wilders no 1. Especially if we sign a starting left wing back which we surely will do.
Seems an expensive back-up at 3.5M. For that price he needs to play regularly. Bit underwhelmed with him to be honest. Shown flashes of quality, but hopefully with a full pre-season and more consistent time at the club, he will show us what he can do and was bought for.
 
Seems an expensive back-up at 3.5M. For that price he needs to play regularly. Bit underwhelmed with him to be honest. Shown flashes of quality, but hopefully with a full pre-season and more consistent time at the club, he will show us what he can do and was bought for.
Where would you start him?
 
Argentina loses nearly all its best players to Europe. Their top league is not Premier League standard.

RP and Boca - Rangers and Celtic?
 
Argentina loses nearly all its best players to Europe. Their top league is not Premier League standard.

RP and Boca - Rangers and Celtic?
I think that signing players that can't speak English is a huge issue, not just professionally, but culturally too.

Payero never looked like he really believed in himself and belief is a huge part of football, or any sport for that matter.

I suppose a loan will give him a year to mature and hopefully learn English - I suppose the latter will determine whether he has a future under this manager.
 
I’m not arguing about needing confidence in sport I’m saying payero hasn’t been a fair chance to show it either way.

He looked confident enough at old Trafford.
He has, in flashes, but it wasn't often enough to push for a place, or anywhere near really.

CW has gone on record and stated the importance of English speaking players, so that's a big issue too.

We've all seen enough to know there's talent there, but that's often not enough.

I watched him in the U23's back end of the season and he looked disinterested.
 
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