Opinium has Labour 8 points ahead

The Ruthsayer said:
Wasn’t he highly critical of the Jewish state, and a good socialist too? No chance that he would have been voted in. At least that’s how’s he is portrayed.
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I think the small problem of him not being real, might work against him.

I suppose a lot of the electorate has a taste for lies at the minute mind, so even if he was real and people were claiming all sorts about him, which just were not true, people might lap it up :LOL:

I've heard he can provide free food, 5 bed houses and Ferrarri's for all, he'll turn your water tap into a wine tap and won't charge tax on anything, sounds good.
 
Blair might have polled a 20% lead but he certainly did not win by that margin in the 1997 election which just proves those sort of leads are the fantasy of opinion pollsters.

Theresa May had a 20% lead when she called the 2017 election and ended up with a hung Parliament.

Liz Truss will not win an election for the Tories, she does not come across as competent, I think that’s why Sunak has kept going because the longer the campaign the worse Truss appears.

She will win the contest though and we all know why.
 
Andy_W said:
I think the small problem of him not being real, might work against him.

I suppose a lot of the electorate has a taste for lies at the minute mind, so even if he was real and people were claiming all sorts about him, which just were not true, people might lap it up :LOL:

I've heard he can provide free food, 5 bed houses and Ferrarri's for all, he'll turn your water tap into a wine tap and won't charge tax on anything, sounds good.
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Not real? I think there is a huge body of evidence that attests to an inspirational individual who was hugely motivating. That doesn’t mean he was if the son of god, of course. I’m an atheist, and a fervent one at that, but that doesn’t mean ignoring basic evidence. It might be that the diverse sources colluded beforehand to create this person, but that’s unlikely.
 
Labour need to produce more policies and actions if elected, to help majority working class areas that feel left behind. Until they do they are really going to struggle to get into power. I have listed 6 seats above that are very winnable in just one small area of the UK. To me this is where the key fighting should be, but Labour seem to be struggling to fully recognise this.

My worry is that they are becoming the party of the large metropolitan English cities, but no where else. Nothing seems to have changed under Starmer except the image is much blander and less radical. At least Corbyn had a bit of spunk in him. His political partner McDonald came to Redcar and asked people in a cafe what they wanted.

I meet people who should be voting Labour but say I am voting Green or in Scotland SNP or I am not voting at all.

Look at Hartlepool the Tories won because the Labour vote walked away to a candidate standing up for Old Labour or didn't vote.
 
The Ruthsayer said:
Not real? I think there is a huge body of evidence that attests to an inspirational individual who was hugely motivating. That doesn’t mean he was if the son of god, of course. I’m an atheist, and a fervent one at that, but that doesn’t mean ignoring basic evidence. It might be that the diverse sources colluded beforehand to create this person, but that’s unlikely.
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I mean real as in what the stories say did not happen, as they're impossible, effectively the version of Jesus is not real.

There might have been some guy names Jesus, but he might as well have been called any other name, as the stories about "Jesus" don't reflect what the actual "Jesus" did.

Some guy who had magic powers to do good would probably get a lot of votes, but no doubt the press would frame as as some sort of mutant and would be a witch hunt.
 
Laughing said:
I have some really bad news for you, he is made up!
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As above Laughing. But that is just my conclusion having read a little around the subject. If anyone is interested in how religions gain a following, I’d thoroughly recommend ‘A History of Religion: East and West’, by Trevor Ling.
 
Andy_W said:
I mean real as in what the stories say did not happen, as they're impossible, effectively the version of Jesus is not real.

There might have been some guy names Jesus, but he might as well have been called any other name, as the stories about "Jesus" don't reflect what the actual "Jesus" did.

Some guy who had magic powers to do good would probably get a lot of votes, but no doubt the press would frame as as some sort of mutant and would be a witch hunt.
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Agree with all of that. Wasn’t there a comedy made that posited JC returning to the world. A little like Life of Brian, but much darker. Sorry, not a huge film buff.
 
Laughing said:
I have some really bad news for you, he is made up!
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I think I'm right in saying there are more independent historical records of the life of Mr. Christ than Alexander the Great?

The problem I have with a lot of Christians is that they seem to be able to blindly ignore the teachings of their own prophet.

Violence - turn the other cheek
Taxation - give unto Caesar what is Caesar's
Racism - the tale of the good Samaritan
Wealth - easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle

Etc. etc. he was a more decent chap than many of his avowed and vociferous followers.
 
This "Labour should be 20 points ahead" idea isn't new. Blair said it about Corbyn in 2017 when he described May's government as being in a bigger state of disarray than any he could remember. Well we have an even worse government now.
 
BlindBoyGrunt said:
This "Labour should be 20 points ahead" idea isn't new. Blair said it about Corbyn in 2017 when he described May's government as being in a bigger state of disarray than any he could remember. Well we have an even worse government now.
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Aye, and Corbyn spent all of 2015 and 2016 behind in the polls by about 10%, then slipped to -15% in 2017 then improved that before the election, but not close enough. He got a 3% lead after the election but had lost it within 5 months. So he was still a good 17% off that, at best, in all the time he was in.
 
Muttley said:
I think I'm right in saying there are more independent historical records of the life of Mr. Christ than Alexander the Great?

The problem I have with a lot of Christians is that they seem to be able to blindly ignore the teachings of their own prophet.

Violence - turn the other cheek
Taxation - give unto Caesar what is Caesar's
Racism - the tale of the good Samaritan
Wealth - easier for a camel to pass through the eye of a needle

Etc. etc. he was a more decent chap than many of his avowed and vociferous followers.
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There is a wealth of evidence that someone called jesus lived in nazareth. However none of it produced Less than 80 years after his death. This seems unlikely given Romans propensity for documentation. Births deaths and marriages were well documented but none exist for jesus.
 
Andy_W said:
Aye, and Corbyn spent all of 2015 and 2016 behind in the polls by about 10%, then slipped to -15% in 2017 then improved that before the election, but not close enough. He got a 3% lead after the election but had lost it within 5 months. So he was still a good 17% off that, at best, in all the time he was in.
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I don't dispute that, but it does indicate that with this labour leader against this government a healthy lead should be expected and not seen as exceptional.
 
Muttley said:
You think we have 100% retention of Roman records from 2000 years ago? FFS we don't even have a complete copy of Livy's History of Rome!
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But nothing at all until 80 years later? seems unlikely given he was a reasonably well known "character"
 
Laughing said:
But nothing at all until 80 years later? seems unlikely given he was a reasonably well known "character"
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80 years later is wholly incorrect. The Pauline epistles were 15 years after the death of JC. Dig a little deeper and examine the copious evidence, rather than relying on an erroneous statement by the OP.
 
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