No cuddling, no board games, no sitting opposite each other for dinner...

GazC_MFC said:
Ye I get that, but 2.5 million Muslims were not allowed to meet for eid. That’s a big chunk of the population to alienate, if anything helps people to bang the Islamphobia drum against the tories.....
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The vast majority of people in this country celebrate Christmas, probably 60 million+ people and I'd bet that a majority of those people would celebrate it whether the government allow it or not.

I don't agree with this 5 day lifting, even though I'll end up utilising it, but it seems to me that they're legalising smaller gatherings to prevent them having to try and enforce the unenforceable.

It's clearly aimed at Christmas, but these 5 days aren't specific to Christmas.
Every person of the UK can gather in this time, whatever they celebrate or believe in.

If they'd tried to do the same during Eid or Diwali, they'd also have had to allow it for the entire 66m+ population, and in that case it's only being done to allow 4m to celebrate and it's definitely not worth the trade off.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
As a grandparent with underlying health conditions currently isolating can I please request that younger folk stop telling me that seeing family this Christmas is essential. It isn't.

I'd far rather spend more time with them when the virus is not so widespread, when we can spend days away, weekends away or weeks together next year and in the future.
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Nobody is saying that. In fact quite the opposite. Nobody is forcing grandparents to see grandchildren.
 
Well this is a particularly nasty little thread. We should all be able to accept that views on Christmas vary from person to person. Some will suffer terribly by not seeing grandparents or parents over Christmas, others have a different opinion. To call someone selfish for wanting to spend time with family seems ludicrous to me.
 
RandySavage said:
Nobody is saying that. In fact quite the opposite. Nobody is forcing grandparents to see grandchildren.
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I'm not saying they are, I'm talking about the rubbish spouted in the media and repeated in here by younger people about what is important for grandparents this Christmas.
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
I'm not saying they are, I'm talking about the rubbish spouted in the media and repeated in here by younger people about what is important for grandparents this Christmas.
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I don't think anyone is specifically referring to you.

It is clearly a generalisation.

I know of many grandparents that want to spend time with and see their families.

Just because you don't doesn't put you in a higher place.

Everyone is entitled to their own thoughts and opinions.
 
Smog in Wilts said:
Unfortunately the government have to dumb down their message so that everyone gets the message.
The more intelligent are able to make their own decision for their families best interest, however as has been seen numerous times there are people out there who either do not understand or do not care about the results of their actions.
The intelligent get upset about being treated as children, the less intelligent continue to do what they want. The end result is that we all continue to suffer.
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You've hit the nail on the head Smog- We've had countless discussions about this at home and at work.
 
I doubt board games will be an issue😂. It's more likely don't pass controllers on a games console. That said most teenagers will just go upstairs and play all day online.... Top isolation.
 
Lets have people allowed to express their own opinion and not be forced into a heard ad populum argument, been enough decent posters banned off this site over the years just for expressing
Their own opinion by over zealous left wing board mediators , Chris makes a fair and balanced viewpoint, some of the covid restrictions are quite frankly ridiculous and not based on science at all,
and people do die , of old age constantly, well, they used to a year ago, now everybody who dies seems to be from Covid -19, still lost more people to road traffic accidents this calender year than Covid,
Do we see the same delirious fever about not getting into cars and driving around to save lives, balance is needed in these discussions, not hysteria
 
Artie Fufkin said:
You could argue the time of Christmas is more important in what is essentially and historically a Christian country. I dont imagine there would be much call for Christmas in a predominantly Hindu or Muslim country

I dont believe Christians are more important than Hindus or Muslims or people of any faith in this or any other country
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But, arguably in Christian circles Easter is a more important celebration than Christmas and we locked down during that without any hassle.

@Cuthbert is absolutely right to say Christmas is important to some people. Then again so is eid, Diwali, Hannukkah etc... all these celebrations (well except the last one) have all gone on globally this year and restrictions have stopped propel gathering. Let’s not pretend this is about our religious rights as a Christian country. It’s about people being selfish (and yes selfish is absolutely the correct description) enough to ignore the fact we are at a critical stage in trying to control a virus. For them, gathering with family and knocking back a few sherbets is somehow more important than trying to cantina and reduce a pandemic. That’s as clear a case of selfishness as you could imagine.
 
SmallTown said:
But, arguably in Christian circles Easter is a more important celebration than Christmas and we locked down during that without any hassle.

@Cuthbert is absolutely right to say Christmas is important to some people. Then again so is eid, Diwali, Hannukkah etc... all these celebrations (well except the last one) have all gone on globally this year and restrictions have stopped propel gathering. Let’s not pretend this is about our religious rights as a Christian country. It’s about people being selfish (and yes selfish is absolutely the correct description) enough to ignore the fact we are at a critical stage in trying to control a virus. For them, gathering with family and knocking back a few sherbets is somehow more important than trying to cantina and reduce a pandemic. That’s as clear a case of selfishness as you could imagine.
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You are categorizing people shamefuly ST. It's not selfish and you have absolutely no right to categorize people like that. I know of one family who are isolating for 10 days so they can see their parents. It's not about a few sherbets as you so insultingly put it.

Grow up.
 
SmallTown said:
But, arguably in Christian circles Easter is a more important celebration than Christmas and we locked down during that without any hassle.

@Cuthbert is absolutely right to say Christmas is important to some people. Then again so is eid, Diwali, Hannukkah etc... all these celebrations (well except the last one) have all gone on globally this year and restrictions have stopped propel gathering. Let’s not pretend this is about our religious rights as a Christian country. It’s about people being selfish (and yes selfish is absolutely the correct description) enough to ignore the fact we are at a critical stage in trying to control a virus. For them, gathering with family and knocking back a few sherbets is somehow more important than trying to cantina and reduce a pandemic. That’s as clear a case of selfishness as you could imagine.
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For practising Christians Easter is a more significant event than Christmas for sure, but for most of us, Christmas is a much more celebrated time of year based on the tradition of family getting together, whereas Easter doesn't really have that same tradition so its passing without fanfare in lockdown is to be expected
 
Artie Fufkin said:
For practising Christians Easter is a more significant event than Christmas for sure, but for most of us, Christmas is a much more celebrated time of year based on the tradition of family getting together, whereas Easter doesn't really have that same tradition so its passing without fanfare in lockdown is to be expected
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Totally true. Which is why it’s I don’t like people using religion to justify their Christmas get together.

I understand how important it is for family to be together at Christmas and I’m really going to miss mine but we simply have to think bigger picture. Seems daily case numbers are slowly dropping. It’s seems very very wrong to me to go through all this good work just to spread all around the country again in a months time. I don’t get the logic of a five day Christmas break only to risk a much longer lockdown or deadlier peak in 2021
 
Xmas is important to some - I get that
But, if your start point is that lockdowns save lives then it makes sense to call the 5 day break exactly what it is this year -

It’s 5 days of killing people
 
Same_as_before said:
Or its Christmas with your family.

I was accused of wanting people die by voting to leave the EU and now because I will be with my family.

The extremes of the left and right are quite nasty people.
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This isn’t, for once. About brexit. We can estimate the financial implications of that but don’t know 100%
We HAVE seen what happens when we roll back coronavirus restrictions and it’s a rise in cases and a rise in deaths. To want to spend five days with your family knowing that such easing of restrictions will kill people, is selfish as you get
 
How many people are people planning to get together with when they say family?

For me that’s just me (works from home), my mum who lives on her own (retired) and bubbled with me anyway, and my brother (works from home). There shouldn’t be too much risk there and we’re all sensible and have followed the rules. Christmas Day will be the first time my daughter can meet her uncle.

I imagine some will use it as an excuse to have huge gatherings though.
 
LowMoorBoro said:
How many people are people planning to get together with when they say family?

For me that’s just me (works from home), my mum who lives on her own (retired) and bubbled with me anyway, and my brother (works from home). There shouldn’t be too much risk there and we’re all sensible and have followed the rules. Christmas Day will be the first time my daughter can meet her uncle.

I imagine some will use it as an excuse to have huge gatherings though.
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4 adults and 2 kids under the age of 5. In a childcare bubble anyways. 😀
 
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