No cuddling, no board games, no sitting opposite each other for dinner...

ChrisTheRed said:
Are these sage clowns for real.

They are absolute planks.

They might as well issue full hazmat suits and pie the masks off.

This world is getting crazier by the day.
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It’s because we shouldn’t be meeting up at all. But the government have the green lights so sage now have to advise how not to pass the virus on based on government policy
 
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Artie Fufkin said:
Or instead they could not pander to those that feel they 'need' Christmas and not mandate for people to be in a situation where the things you mention are likely to occur. Instead they could grow some balls and mandate that Christmas is effectively cancelled this year in a sustained effort to get out of this situation as soon as possible.

I'd rather not have Christmas this year in the hope that it means we have our elderly or vulnerable family actually around to be able to have Christmas next year and for years after that. This 5 day break creates a risk that is simply not IMO worth the reward
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Totally agree with this. Why are people so desperate to have Christmas this year, knowing what the effect will be. After all we have been through?

Oh and don't give me some bull about Christian traditions because we were locked down over Easter and no one batted an eyelid
 
ChrisTheRed said:
Are these sage clowns for real.

They are absolute planks.

They might as well issue full hazmat suits and pie the masks off.

This world is getting crazier by the day.
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I understand this is an emotive subject and we're all struggling to deal with the restrictions being placed on us. That said Chris, the advice from Sage is sensible and if followed, is likely to reduce the risk of an asymptomatic child passing on the virus to Grandma. But it's not like the police are going to be knocking on your door on Christmas Day and fining you for playing Scrabble.

My main concern about us having a family Christmas is the health risk to my parents, but ironically, that's also the main reason for wanting us all together. Covid is a potential danger to them, but not seeing kids and grandkids for so long, and especially over Christmas, will take its toll in other ways. And that's the dilemma we all have to face up to.
 
All very well to say that people who want Christmas are selfish. However, it's very important to some people.

One could equally say that those of you who aren't bothered about Christmas are selfish for saying that it should be cancelled for other people.

Personally I'm not bothered either way by Christmas, but I accept that it's important to some other folk. I suspect (and I imagine that the Government suspects) that a lot of people would think "Stuff the rules anymore, I'm seeing my family anyway" during December. Rather than have a complete free for all throughout December, they're putting in place more relaxed measures for five days, with restrictions either side. There is some sense in it.
 
SmallTown said:
Totally agree with this. Why are people so desperate to have Christmas this year, knowing what the effect will be. After all we have been through?

Oh and don't give me some bull about Christian traditions because we were locked down over Easter and no one batted an eyelid
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I think the reason this has been green-lighted is simply because significant numbers will do it anyway, it's nothing more than a 'get out of jail free' card and a political crowd-pleaser

That said I respect the views of those who feel comfortable having Christmas with family if they do it in a manner they feel is safe and appropriate, you have to do what you feel is right for you, that's fine. What bothers me is those degenerates who have been given an inch so will take a mile, and we all know that is going to happen
 
I'm not really fussed about Xmas either way as I'm usually working (except Xmas day), the kids are still relatively young although my eldest knows Santa is coming this year and she keeps saying she will be good. I understand some not wanting to see family and I understand those who do want to see them.

That said my parents have asked to see the grandkids Xmas Day, they know what's what. No way am I denying them access to their grandchildren. We stopped contact in March and April and it was very noticeable in my kids and my parents. Not prepared to do that again.
(Plus they already look after the kids one day a week whilst me and missus are both working so it's just another day).

Just let people make their own decisions.
 
I guarantee those that are moaning about people suggestions of limiting Christmas frivolity will be the same ones moaning in January and February that the necessary lockdowns that follow are unnecessary despite rising infections and deaths and were in no way the fault of those celebrating Christmas to the max.
They would be the ones in the bar on the Titanic asking for more ice in their whisky
 
Cuthbert said:
All very well to say that people who want Christmas are selfish. However, it's very important to some people.

One could equally say that those of you who aren't bothered about Christmas are selfish for saying that it should be cancelled for other people.

Personally I'm not bothered either way by Christmas, but I accept that it's important to some other folk. I suspect (and I imagine that the Government suspects) that a lot of people would think "Stuff the rules anymore, I'm seeing my family anyway" during December. Rather than have a complete free for all throughout December, they're putting in place more relaxed measures for five days, with restrictions either side. There is some sense in it.
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What about other religious occasions that were important? Are Christians more important than people who are practicing Hindu or Islam?
 
GazC_MFC said:
What about other religious occasions that were important? Are Christians more important than people who are practicing Hindu or Islam?
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You could argue the time of Christmas is more important in what is essentially and historically a Christian country. I dont imagine there would be much call for Christmas in a predominantly Hindu or Muslim country

I dont believe Christians are more important than Hindus or Muslims or people of any faith in this or any other country
 
As a grandparent with underlying health conditions currently isolating can I please request that younger folk stop telling me that seeing family this Christmas is essential. It isn't.

I'd far rather spend more time with them when the virus is not so widespread, when we can spend days away, weekends away or weeks together next year and in the future.
 
Smog in Wilts said:
Unfortunately the government have to dumb down their message so that everyone gets the message.
The more intelligent are able to make their own decision for their families best interest, however as has been seen numerous times there are people out there who either do not understand or do not care about the results of their actions.
The intelligent get upset about being treated as children, the less intelligent continue to do what they want. The end result is that we all continue to suffer.
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Are you the more intelligent or the dumbed down?
 
Artie Fufkin said:
You could argue the time of Christmas is more important in what is essentially and historically a Christian country. I dont imagine there would be much call for Christmas in a predominantly Hindu or Muslim country

I dont believe Christians are more important than Hindus or Muslims or people of any faith in this or any other country
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Ye I get that, but 2.5 million Muslims were not allowed to meet for eid. That’s a big chunk of the population to alienate, if anything helps people to bang the Islamphobia drum against the tories.....
 
Corcaigh_the_Cat said:
As a grandparent with underlying health conditions currently isolating can I please request that younger folk stop telling me that seeing family this Christmas is essential. It isn't.

I'd far rather spend more time with them when the virus is not so widespread, when we can spend days away, weekends away or weeks together next year and in the future.
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We differ completely, although I wish I was a grandparent, the average age of death is still at 82, the R rate is below 1, I am having a Christmas with my family.
 
Same_as_before said:
Are you the more intelligent or the dumbed down?
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That is a good question. I merely try to follow the advice given in the hope that someone more knowledgeable than me has thought it all through. I try to understand it and the reasons why, however I struggle with some of it. I havent got the time to kick against it as I am trying to run a business through these times and financially support my staff.

I would dearly love to see my family at christmas or new year, but I live 150 miles away from them. So christmas for me is on my own hoping for better things to come.

I dont claim to be intelligent and hope I am not dumb, but I look at the logic and not the emotion.
 
Fair play to you, but I would like to stop this generalisation that Christmas is essential to grandparents, it most certainly isn't to many of us.
 
GazC_MFC said:
Ye I get that, but 2.5 million Muslims were not allowed to meet for eid. That’s a big chunk of the population to alienate, if anything helps people to bang the Islamphobia drum against the tories.....
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I agree, but as I think I've made clear, I'm very much not in favour of this 5 day relaxation of rules for Christmas. I was just pointing out that Christmas is more important, in my view, in a Christian country than other religious celebrations. I'm not saying they are not important to those who celebrate them though.

That makes me sound much more of a backwards little Englander than I actually am! 🥺
 
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