No cuddling, no board games, no sitting opposite each other for dinner...

We're extending the bubble over the Christmas period aren't we, three households now, so perhaps within the guidelines?

It's an extremely difficult time for many, I haven't strong religious beliefs but I feel that many of those that have will be finding it easier to cope than those of us guided by the media.
 
Cuthbert said:
There is absolutely no guarantee that if you skip Christmas this year to 'save' an elderly relative, that they'll be around next year.
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But many will, and that's the point. I'm not sure if 5 days of geting p!ssed is really worth it.
 
Laughing said:
We are having my father in law here for Christmas. He is 86 lives alone. WE are isolating, my wife and I for 10 days prior. Our 9 year old cannot isolate as she is in school.

There are people on here pointing fingers and calling people names. It really isn't acceptable. ST has characterized my family and other families as "putting a few sherbets" ahead of the safety of my father in law. The characterization is wrong, insulting and juvenile. It will be inaccurate for most families. Perhaps Christmas is all about getting hammered for St, for most of us it's an occasion to share a special day with those you love, care for and need to spend time with.

I don't really care what ST thinks of my actions but others may be offended by his polarised characterization of his fellow man.
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What you're are doing is brilliant, and probably over and above what is needed.

However, it was aimed at the many, many people who have done what they want over the last 8 months, and will continue to do so, regardless of what it means for other people.
 
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Again areally ugly characterization of people Rico, who want to spend time with loved ones. Shame on you.
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Shame on me for what? There are many different scenarios. Those who are following the guidelines are doing what they can, and are allowed to do. As above, I believe what you are your family are doing is way above what is needed. I am not categorising ayone, but we know what many will be doing, and continue to do. I have spent pretty much the last year watching people where I live ignore the rules and doing what they want, and it is becaise of these selfish people (because that is what they are!) means that we won't be seeing any of our family this year. There is more than 3 bubbles in our family and we've all collectively decided that its not the right thing to do, as difficult a decision as it was. We will be staying at home on our own, but it's what we have to do.
 
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No because my father-in-law is in a bubble with his other daughter who live a bit closer than we do.

I note you're argument and rhetoric has moved away from "wanting a few sherberts", or "using religion as an excuse", that's a start ST. Some of your posts on this thread, and you're not alone in this, are, to be frank insulting and juvenile.

You repeatedly fail, by design or accident, to accept there are some very good reasons for families to get together over Christmas that may have nothing to do with God nor alcohol, and take reasonable preventative measures to protect their loved ones and avoid spreading the virus.

Some of those reasons may be abject loneliness, very poor health and the likelihood of no next year, perhaps they are in palliative care and only have months to live.

You feel comfortable labelling these folks as "wanting a few sherberts" or "selfish". Well you have more conviction in your views than I would have.
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You must have missed my comments this morning.

I acknowledge there MAY be reasons why people want us to break covid rules and get together at Christmas.

Its just that I can't think of any and no one on here has given a reasonable excuse that outweighs the spreading of a deadly disease.
 
Are you spending Xmas day alone?
SmallTown said:
You must have missed my comments this morning.

I acknowledge there MAY be reasons why people want us to break covid rules and get together at Christmas.

Its just that I can't think of any and no one on here has given a reasonable excuse that outweighs the spreading of a deadly disease.
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SmallTown said:
You must have missed my comments this morning.

I acknowledge there MAY be reasons why people want us to break covid rules and get together at Christmas.

Its just that I can't think of any and no one on here has given a reasonable excuse that outweighs the spreading of a deadly disease.
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I agree with your overall sentiment but the rhetoric you employ is inflammatory and poisonous.
Which rules will people be breaking?
 
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But many will, and that's the point. I'm not sure if 5 days of geting p!ssed is really worth it.
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Unfortunately that's the reality of the situation, and it's not limited to any particular age group.

Most will be careful and protective of the vulnerable where possible but there are many not giving a toss and it's not simply amongst the customer groups.
 
I do think people should have the choice, but I think there are multiple elements here which should dictate whether it's sensible for you to visit relatives, your ability in the run up to Christmas, to avoid other people being one. Me and my fiance are lucky we can WFH, and for the two weeks beforehand, stay out of public places, meaning after our drive up north, we will have had no real contact with the outside world, limiting the risk to my parents.

The other factor is, we don't know where we will be nationally with daily figures in 3 weeks time. If the numbers continue to drop as we move into the tier system, and we're around 2-3k cases a day, we're in a very different situation to where we are atm with 12-15k daily cases.
 
It is the categorization of everyone who wants to spend some time with family members, where they, perhaps haven't seen them for a year, as selfish that will offend people.

There is too much thoughtless rhetoric on the thread. Rico, I accept that people will abuse the small amount of freedom they have been afforded, but that is not the majority, and furthermore, they would have ignored any rules in place in any case.

We shouldn't be villifying everyone. Some people will take, some of, the comments to heart and it will cause them some discomfort. It wasn't and isn't necessary.
 
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It is the categorization of everyone who wants to spend some time with family members, where they, perhaps haven't seen them for a year, as selfish that will offend people.

There is too much thoughtless rhetoric on the thread. Rico, I accept that people will abuse the small amount of freedom they have been afforded, but that is not the majority, and furthermore, they would have ignored any rules in place in any case.

We shouldn't be villifying everyone. Some people will take, some of, the comments to heart and it will cause them some discomfort. It wasn't and isn't necessary.
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That’s my genuine opinion though. I’m not going to say “oh it’s you’re not selfish because it upsets you, but everyone else is”

it may offend some, but as far as I am concerned it IS selfish. COVID hasn’t gone away, nor will it because it’s Christmas. It’s ignoring the current situation and risking a prolonged public health emergency just because you want to meet up with family. It IS selfish.
I want to meet up with family for Christmas. But I can’t because there is a pandemic happening
 
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But many will, and that's the point. I'm not sure if 5 days of geting p!ssed is really worth it.
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The vast majority of people will be completely sensible about it. Even though there is a five day window, I expect many folk will make use of a day or two of it. You are taking an extreme example, and trying to pass it off as what will be the norm.
 
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That’s my genuine opinion though. I’m not going to say “oh it’s you’re not selfish because it upsets you, but everyone else is”

it may offend some, but as far as I am concerned it IS selfish. COVID hasn’t gone away, nor will it because it’s Christmas. It’s ignoring the current situation and risking a prolonged public health emergency just because you want to meet up with family. It IS selfish.
I want to meet up with family for Christmas. But I can’t because there is a pandemic happening
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Fully agree, there are many people who will either not see family (like my family) or some who will lock themselves away for a fortnight before, so that they can.

How many times have you heard people say, "when lockdown finished", or "the second lockdown"? 'Lockdown' didn't, and hasn't finished - we as a nation have been under restrictions in one way or another since 23rd March, and will continue to do so, because far too many have done what they want, will continue to do so and to hell with the consequences for everyone else. Christmas is just another excuse for them to do that. Those people are selfish, and they will know who they are. If they get upset because someone points that out on a football messageboard, then good. Hopefully it might make them realise that they are selfish.
 
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That’s my genuine opinion though. I’m not going to say “oh it’s you’re not selfish because it upsets you, but everyone else is”

it may offend some, but as far as I am concerned it IS selfish. COVID hasn’t gone away, nor will it because it’s Christmas. It’s ignoring the current situation and risking a prolonged public health emergency just because you want to meet up with family. It IS selfish.
I want to meet up with family for Christmas. But I can’t because there is a pandemic happening
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Some "genuine opinions" are best left unsaid, your opinions may have a seriously detrimental effect on someones wellbeing and will make not one jot of difference to the final outcome, but crack on.
I consider your uncaring rhetoric to be selfish.
I find your ballot for the tories selfish

We can all play that game ST, it doesn't get us anywhere, perhaps stop and think before you plaster your, quite frankly, ridiculous opinions on a public message board. It can and does effect people.
 
uncle_rico said:
Fully agree, there are many people who will either not see family (like my family) or some who will lock themselves away for a fortnight before, so that they can.

How many times have you heard people say, "when lockdown finished", or "the second lockdown"? 'Lockdown' didn't, and hasn't finished - we as a nation have been under restrictions in one way or another since 23rd March, and will continue to do so, because far too many have done what they want, will continue to do so and to hell with the consequences for everyone else. Christmas is just another excuse for them to do that. Those people are selfish, and they will know who they are. If they get upset because someone points that out on a football messageboard, then good. Hopefully it might make them realise that they are selfish.
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Rico we are where we are, not because some people have ignored the government guidelines. We are where we are because the government guidlines were crap, too late and ineffective. We are where we are because T&T is a shambles. We are where we are because covid was seeded into care homes.
 
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Rico we are where we are, not because some people have ignored the government guidelines. We are where we are because the government guidlines were crap, too late and ineffective. We are where we are because T&T is a shambles. We are where we are because covid was seeded into care homes.
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It is believed that upto 80% of cases are contracted from people going into other people's homes. Many did and contine to do so when they aren't supposed to. The government guidance has been shocking and T&T is a farce. But far too many people didn't do what they needed to, and continue not to do so. We are where we are because of that as much as anything else, and is the reason why you feel that you need to lock yourself away for a for fortnight to be able to see your family at Christmas. How many others will be doing that?
 
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