Meanwhile, in Sweden...

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The deaths per day graph is now looking as though it's more or less over in Sweden. There are still around 200 people in ICUs and there is a hot spot in the mine at Gallivare, but this is the first time I've seen a week of single figure deaths reported swed.png
 
borolad259 said:
The deaths per day graph is now looking as though it's more or less over in Sweden. There are still around 200 people in ICUs and there is a hot spot in the mine at Gallivare, but this is the first time I've seen a week of single figure deaths reported View attachment 4223
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Are those actual deaths on each day or each day's reported figures? They seem to have reported 222 total for Wed, Thurs, Mon and Tuesday (today) (7 day period).
 
The Wednesday is when they go back over figures from the regions over 30 days and include deaths where Covid wasn't cause, but was present (ie. people in end of life cancer care). These figures are based upon the actual day of death, so this weeek's will increase ... but, crucially, I have not seen the graph look quite like that since the outbreak began. I think there have only been just over 100 deaths reported since last Thursday. There will be a larger total tomorrow ... it being Wednesday, but things are definitely much better. There are no excess deaths above the mean at the moment.
 
borolad259 said:
The deaths per day graph is now looking as though it's more or less over in Sweden. There are still around 200 people in ICUs and there is a hot spot in the mine at Gallivare, but this is the first time I've seen a week of single figure deaths reported View attachment 4223
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Careful, some on here won't have it and will pull some figures out to say otherwise.

Well done Sweden.
 
RandySavage said:
Careful, some on here won't have it and will pull some figures out to say otherwise.

Well done Sweden.
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Over 5000 deaths from a population of about 10m, in the last 80 days or so, so an average of about 60 per day. Yeah, well done Sweden.....:sleep:

Norway, Denmark, Finland, 1100 deaths combined from 15m people combined.

I wouldn't be saying "well done", not to Sweden anyway.
 
Wev1 said:
Over 5000 deaths from a population of about 10m, in the last 80 days or so, so an average of about 60 per day. Yeah, well done Sweden.....:sleep:

Norway, Denmark, Finland, 1100 deaths combined from 15m people combined.

I wouldn't be saying "well done", not to Sweden anyway.
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Why not? You make it sound like people don't die everyday in normal times.

They've kept their economy moving, even grew it a little. They have also fully admitted the mistakes they made regarding protecting care homes something a lot of other government's including ours have failed to do.

So yes well done Sweden..😊
 
Quite a lot of deaths though. I'd certainly be annoyed by their approach if I was one of those that had died prematurely. Granted, they admitted their mistakes, but still failed to protect some of the most vulnerable in society.

Trade off between maintaining an economy and people dying is quite a fascinating one. I think this is a bit like true poverty, in that if you cant see it then it then it is not there.

The value some countries have placed on life versus economy and reverse will really be interesting to reflect on in the coming years.
 
RandySavage said:
Why not? You make it sound like people don't die everyday in normal times.

They've kept their economy moving, even grew it a little. They have also fully admitted the mistakes they made regarding protecting care homes something a lot of other government's including ours have failed to do.

So yes well done Sweden..😊
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These people are excess deaths (30% excess), as in they're not "normal", they're more than what would be "normal". What if they had said it was you that was going to be one of those sacrificed, would you just accept that?

Choosing some options which lead to a load of excess deaths and then admitting one of those was a mistake isn't a good thing. How about just not do them in the first place? Just because you apologise does not absolve you from what you're apologising for.

Why compare to the the UK or look at the UK as a way of self/ Swedish gratification? The UK has done a $hit job, everyone knows that, by trying to compare to the UK just makes your point look even worse.

Compare Sweden to every other similar sized nation or any other that started on a similar curve, and they're up there with the worst.

Please explain how you think Sweden have done a better job that Denmark, Norway or Finland. You can combine the excess deaths for all three if you like.

Yes, they might have 1-2% more growth, or less of a fall in Q1, compared to Denmark, Norway, Finland but those have had this virus pretty much kicked into touch for the last 1-2 months. The countries getting over this faster should start to recover faster.

Also, any economy can bounce back, and they will, but there's zero chance of bringing any of the dead back, they're gone forever.
 
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The excess deaths are likely to be higher in real terms too, as most of the world was tracking below excess deaths prior to covid
 
Oh Christ he's back. Mr "50 deaths a day rolling average" posted on 9th of June when there hadn't been a single day with 50 deaths since 23rd May.
There are currently no excess deaths in Sweden.

Norway, Denmark and Finland are still having to grapple with the fact that they've had very limited exposure to the virus. Just because they haven't had the deaths that Sweden has, doesn't mean they won't get them down the line.
 
borolad259 said:
Oh Christ he's back. Mr "50 deaths a day rolling average" posted on 9th of June when there hadn't been a single day with 50 deaths since 23rd May.
There are currently no excess deaths in Sweden.

Norway, Denmark and Finland are still having to grapple with the fact that they've had very limited exposure to the virus. Just because they haven't had the deaths that Sweden has, doesn't mean they won't get them down the line.
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Sweden has had very little exposure to the virus based on their recent figures. About the same as the UK based on antibody tests.
 
Cambsred said:
Quite a lot of deaths though. I'd certainly be annoyed by their approach if I was one of those that had died prematurely. Granted, they admitted their mistakes, but still failed to protect some of the most vulnerable in society.

Trade off between maintaining an economy and people dying is quite a fascinating one. I think this is a bit like true poverty, in that if you cant see it then it then it is not there.

The value some countries have placed on life versus economy and reverse will really be interesting to reflect on in the coming years.
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It isn't life Vs economy though it's lives Vs lives.

Also wev's figures are way off as @borolad259 had shown time and time again.

Oh I'm looking forward to this time next year, it's going to be an interesting time of reflection.
 
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