Meanwhile, in Sweden...

borolad259

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#1
Over in Sweden, people are going off to their cabins for Easter and life goes on, not as normal, but without any restriction on personal liberty. Their new cases appear to be at a plateau at the moment, though the scientists in charge concede that it might change. They are also seeing 80% of ICU admissions survive, though with a long recovery.
Carl, the fella whose writing about corona I linked to a few weeks ago, has had covid 19, has been tested for antibodies already and confirmed. He had an unpleasant week, but didn't require hospital.
Open the link in chrome and it should translate for you. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/over-80-procent-overlever-intensivvarden

I meant to add, in places where they have tested rigorously, 90% of those carying live virus were asymptomatic, or had symptoms so mild that the individuals didn't know they had it. Which is good news and bad news at the same time.
 

bear66

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#3
I guess people in Swedish cabins, mostly extremely isolated, are safer than in the City.


Their policy is to treat people as 'grown ups' in their behaviour. It will be interesting to see how this pans out.
 

nowthen

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#4
“ In addition, according to a Swedish associate professor in anaesthesiology and intensive care, Dr Mats Eriksson, “Numerous patients released from hospitals then die at home, untested, and get the diagnosis of unspecified pneumonia.” He also noted “There is an instruction in Stockholm that suspicious deaths caused by Covid-19 shall not be further tested and therefore not included in the statistics. Yet, they should be put in a death-bag marked ‘Infected.’”

Doesn’t sound great.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/485522-sweden-coronavirus-worst-death-count/
 
#5
“ In addition, according to a Swedish associate professor in anaesthesiology and intensive care, Dr Mats Eriksson, “Numerous patients released from hospitals then die at home, untested, and get the diagnosis of unspecified pneumonia.” He also noted “There is an instruction in Stockholm that suspicious deaths caused by Covid-19 shall not be further tested and therefore not included in the statistics. Yet, they should be put in a death-bag marked ‘Infected.’”

Doesn’t sound great.

https://www.rt.com/op-ed/485522-sweden-coronavirus-worst-death-count/
That's some claim!
 
#8
Over in Sweden, people are going off to their cabins for Easter and life goes on, not as normal, but without any restriction on personal liberty. Their new cases appear to be at a plateau at the moment, though the scientists in charge concede that it might change. They are also seeing 80% of ICU admissions survive, though with a long recovery.
Carl, the fella whose writing about corona I linked to a few weeks ago, has had covid 19, has been tested for antibodies already and confirmed. He had an unpleasant week, but didn't require hospital.
Open the link in chrome and it should translate for you. https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/over-80-procent-overlever-intensivvarden

I meant to add, in places where they have tested rigorously, 90% of those carying live virus were asymptomatic, or had symptoms so mild that the individuals didn't know they had it. Which is good news and bad news at the same time.
Surely this can only be good news? The key point must come when recoveries outnumber live cases, especially when the virus doesn't seem to be mutating?

So by this measure there must be a significant part of the population in the UK, especially England, already infected and immunised?
 

Alvez_48

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#9
Those of a more skeptical nature should check out Peter Hitchens who's been very brave during all of this, to stick his head over the parapet and ask the questions that journalists should but aren't asking.
 

Alvez_48

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#10
Surely this can only be good news? The key point must come when recoveries outnumber live cases, especially when the virus doesn't seem to be mutating?

So by this measure there must be a significant part of the population in the UK, especially England, already infected and immunised?
The Oxford study said as much but has been ignored..
Infact every nation that's done extensive testing including the cruise ships confirm this and that's without the luxury of Antibody testing.
 

1finny

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#11
Sweden’s death rate per million population is around 80
Ours is around 135

Currently, at least, they appear to be managing the virus better than us.
 

Alvez_48

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#13
Sweden’s death rate per million population is around 80
Ours is around 135

Currently, at least, they appear to be managing the virus better than us.
We don't know our death rate figure because we are not establishing the difference between with and of.
 
#14
They are tracking slightly below us in deaths per million pop and slightly above us on tests per million pop.

There are no huge multinational cities like London in Sweden so I would imagine it has taken longer to get a grip.
 

SmallTown

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#17
Interesting all the contrasts around the world.
It is isn’t it. I can’t understand how Sweden, who appear to be getting everything entirely wrong compared to everyone else are doing OK?

Small population and reasonable isolation maybe, that doesn’t explain why places like Malmo and Stockholm aren’t getting hammered. I really don’t know.

If herd immunity IS the solution, Sweden could end up being the safest place on earth.

Although there is one thing in their favour: you don’t really have to tell a Swede to socially distance. That’s their default setting!
 

SmallTown

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#18
I should imagine so. The more connected a city is the sooner it will get the virus. They are saying in new york the cases come from europe when Americans flew home. Multinational is probably the wrong word. Global hub is more what I'm trying to say. Flights in and out all the time.
Even then there are outliers. I still can’t grasp how Shanghai, with it’s massive port, central (east coast at least) location and HUGE multinational population isn’t one of the worst cities hit, especially is it’ll have been one of the first? I know there is a pinch of salt with all Chinese figures but 8 deaths? Compared to to say London which has a significantly smaller port, if more air access, and is a third of the size having over 200?
 

SmallTown

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#20
Didn't they lock down much much earlier?
But yeah still strange. I guess it's partly interconnectivity, partly luck. All it needs is one gadge to go spreading it to loads of people.
Yeah I think they locked down and locked down hard for a very long time. Still seems a fortunately low number. Less than 1000 infected out of a population of 27 Million? I guess some towns are lucky. Maybe Sweden are just that?
 
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