Lots of anti-Marxists in Hungary

If I were to invent an undemocratic method of collating national votes it would be difficult to improve upon FPTP. It really is a maddening and ineffective system. Our whole political discourse, reporting and commentary would likely change in an instant if it were abolished in favour of an equitable system, such as PR.
 
bear66 said:
Johnson, Patel, Raab, Sunak, Rhys-Mogg, Gove, Javid, Buckland, Truss, Kwarteng, Coffey, Jenrick etc. are the evidence.
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Like I said I disagree. But that's life. I am sure I could do the same for Spain, Sweden. Pretty much every country. Sure they are on the right, but to say far right, ok.
 
Same_as_before said:
Like I said I disagree. But that's life. I am sure I could do the same for Spain, Sweden. Pretty much every country. Sure they are on the right, but to say far right, ok.
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keep digging, supporting this mob is increasingly like those Germans that said, sure Hitlers a bit weird but he talks sense, he isn't extreme
 
jam69 said:
i dont think the UK has so much lurched to the right, more those far right views seem more acceptable, especially when those holding the highest office are also spouting them.
its been going that way for around 5-6 years i would estimate.
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what possible event around that time could have pushed jingoism, xenophobia and racism into publicly tolerated behaviour? :unsure:
 
BoroMart said:
keep digging, supporting this mob is increasingly like those Germans that said, sure Hitlers a bit weird but he talks sense, he isn't extreme
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I thought you were of the opinion the UK should not get involved with other counties problems. Leave Hitler to himself would of been your policy. Extreme or not.

Sodding Blair and the blood on his hands, and Churchill he should never have fought them on the beaches.
 
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changingman said:
If I were to invent an undemocratic method of collating national votes it would be difficult to improve upon FPTP. It really is a maddening and ineffective system. Our whole political discourse, reporting and commentary would likely change in an instant if it were abolished in favour of an equitable system, such as PR.
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Absolutely, just by changing the system to PR, one that I suspect the average man in the street if presented with, would agree is much "fairer" the outcome of the last election would be seen in a very different light and would reported on in the media very differently.

Many people truly believe the Tories won with a huge majority of the vote share because they simply do not care and/or understand enough about the system we use. Of course this view is reinforced by the media referring to the Tories winning a "massive majority" etc.

Which is technically true in terms of seats of course. Not so much in terms of vote share, which is how many interpret it.
 
Same_as_before said:
Nah it's the Gammon cult. You know them Racist. Thick as mince, anti democratic.

You know the ones who have started every thread on here with the B word.
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I've never called any brexiter that, and hardly anyone on here as either , it's all in your head.
Your very defensive when the topic arises, feels like deep down the way you voted troubles you?
 
jam69 said:
I've never called any brexiter that, and hardly anyone on here as either , it's all in your head.
Your very defensive when the topic arises, feels like deep down the way you voted troubles you?
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Cultist? I must have misread: racist, Tory, thick as mince, gammon, it's easy done.
 
Same_as_before said:
I thought you were of the opinion the UK should not get involved with other counties problems. Leave Hitler to himself would of been your policy. Extreme or not.

Sodding Blair and the blood on his hands, and Churchill he should never have fought them on the beaches.
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I'm fairly sure we had political agreements which led to our intervention in 1939.

Whether you would have agreed or not we had commitments.

No such thing with Iraq/Afghanistan as far as I'm aware - unless you want to argue US/NATO but that begs the question as to who makes the rules and what the UN are for...
 
Ex pfc wintergreen said:
I don't consider the Tories as far right, anymore than I considered labour under Corbyn far left, but then political point scorings not my thing.
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Despite the Tories doing things associated with "far-right" governments and Corbyn not doing anything associated with "far-left" governments?

It's exactly what people are referring to with talk of the Overton Window.
 
Scrote said:
I'm fairly sure we had political agreements which led to our intervention in 1939.

Whether you would have agreed or not we had commitments.

No such thing with Iraq/Afghanistan as far as I'm aware - unless you want to argue US/NATO but that begs the question as to who makes the rules and what the UN are for...
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I am with you. Never I intervene, you brought Hitler up not me. He must have had a right ( no pun ) to Poland and eastern Europe.
 
Scrote said:
Despite the Tories doing things associated with "far-right" governments and Corbyn not doing anything associated with "far-left" governments?

It's exactly what people are referring to with talk of the Overton Window.
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That's a bit simplistic. It's what you determine far right and far left is.
 
jam69 said:
i dont think the UK has so much lurched to the right, more those far right views seem more acceptable, especially when those holding the highest office are also spouting them.
its been going that way for around 5-6 years i would estimate.
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I think you have it about right. We have moved to the right. This government are a disgrace, but they will win again.

Labour has lost the will to fight the opposition, we are too busy fighting each other.
 
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