Looks like Carrick Staying

I renewed my season ticket and will go into the new season hoping that Carrick can win back the majority of the fanbase. It's not going to be easy though. I could see it turning toxic if we lose our first home game.

We got off to a decent start in the Championship under Southgate following relegation but it didn't take fans long to turn when we had a couple of bad results, because I think there was still a lot of bad feeling there from the previous season. I fear it would be a similar case with Carrick.

I think he will have to get off to a near enough perfect start, and even if he manages it, as soon as we go on a bad run are fans going to be patient?
 
PurposelyObtuse said:
buy a season ticket every year. I do a 4 hour round journey every week to watch them at home. I go to most away games too. Easily spending thousands a year to follow the team. “Get behind the club” is an insult to all those fans who go to any amount of games.
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Well that’s simple - don’t do it then - nobody’s making you - it’s a choice you make
 
Block21 said:
Sorry. - Wasn't meant like that, I meant the majority, wouldn't speak for anyone.
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How do you know it’s the majority - it might be from an unrepresentative few members on one specific message board, but that’s irrelevant.

Edit - removed the excessive use of irrelevant [winky thing]
 
Malaguena said:
How do you know it’s the majority - it might be from a statistically irrelevant and unrepresentative few members on one specific message board, but that’s irrelevant.
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Well it feels that way, every poll I've seen on various platforms tells me that is very much the feeling and word of mouth also. Everyone I speak too is saying the same thing.

Didn't the gazette poll have 4000 votes? With a nearly 70 percent majority.
 
Malaguena said:
Well that’s simple - don’t do it then - nobody’s making you - it’s a choice you make
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I’m not quite sure what point you’re trying to make. My response was to someone insinuating that you’re not backing the team unless you’re Carrick in. My argument is that you can absolutely be behind the team and the club (e.g by going to games) but also want a new manager. In fact, I’d argue wanting better standards for your club is getting behind the club.

I’m reading your response as suggesting we should all stop going to the football and cease having an opinion on it. Hopefully that’s not what you mean otherwise we may as well just shut this forum down entirely!

I’m not complaining about paying to go to games, I just don’t like when it’s suggested you’re not a proper fan unless you’re ‘Carrick in’.
 
PurposelyObtuse said:
I’m not quite sure what point you’re trying to make. My response was to someone insinuating that you’re not backing the team unless you’re Carrick in. My argument is that you can absolutely be behind the team and the club (e.g by going to games) but also want a new manager. In fact, I’d argue wanting better standards for your club is getting behind the club.

I’m reading your response as suggesting we should all stop going to the football and cease having an opinion on it. Hopefully that’s not what you mean otherwise we may as well just shut this forum down entirely!

I’m not complaining about paying to go to games, I just don’t like when it’s suggested you’re not a proper fan unless you’re ‘Carrick in’.
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Excellent post
 
Bristolboro said:
Carrick won't be sacked. He lost his best 2 players mid-season and it wasn't his fault. He should be given an apology. And you go to admire the character and stoicism of the guy. And he's still young.
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It’s entirely his fault that we lacked organisation, aggression and leadership. With the backing he has had, we should not be a midtable Championship team. Not sure a review is needed to tell us that.
 
parmoboy said:
I renewed my season ticket and will go into the new season hoping that Carrick can win back the majority of the fanbase. It's not going to be easy though. I could see it turning toxic if we lose our first home game.

We got off to a decent start in the Championship under Southgate following relegation but it didn't take fans long to turn when we had a couple of bad results, because I think there was still a lot of bad feeling there from the previous season. I fear it would be a similar case with Carrick.

I think he will have to get off to a near enough perfect start, and even if he manages it, as soon as we go on a bad run are fans going to be patient?
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Fans are never patient. I’m amazed Steve Gibson has remained so this time not that that is a bad thing. I hope the trust he places in MC, should we keep him, is repaid. It’s a ballsy move but possibly worth the gamble.
 
Cardiffdaffs said:
Fans are never patient. I’m amazed Steve Gibson has remained so this time not that that is a bad thing. I hope the trust he places in MC, should we keep him, is repaid. It’s a ballsy move but possibly worth the gamble.
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I am amazed other supporters are willing to be blind sided by a man who has a chronic history of dithering with managers who are obviously unsuitable, before having to jerk into action when their failure continues. He wastes so much time.

The excuses circulating beggar belief.
When you cling on to the fact you really like someone, really want them to succeed and feel they act with integrity, yet all the evidence points to their inadequacy or unsuitability, then you are making poor decisions.
Getting Venables in was the classic example of being prepared to do anything to prop up a flailing Bryan Robson. Gambling with the club to protect a buddy.
Retaining Southgate during the limp to relegation and then again through that summer is another, though suspect this was more about a guilty conscience over appointing him and not resourcing him in 2008-09.
Appointing Steve Agnew and Jonathan Woodgate are other examples of Gibson prioritising his personal feeling over competence. Hunches.
Retaining pulis after the playoff no show was another with “Uncle Tony”.

I am not saying integrity and relationship don’t matter, just that they should not paper over competence shortfalls.
The Club must come before the Head Coach.

So Cardiff, I don’t see it as a “ballsy move” at all. I see it as really poor judgement again.
 
indeedido said:
I am amazed other supporters are willing to be blind sided by a man who has a chronic history of dithering with managers who are obviously unsuitable, before having to jerk into action when their failure continues. He wastes so much time.

The excuses circulating beggar belief.
When you cling on to the fact you really like someone, really want them to succeed and feel they act with integrity, yet all the evidence points to their inadequacy or unsuitability, then you are making poor decisions.
Getting Venables in was the classic example of being prepared to do anything to prop up a flailing Bryan Robson. Gambling with the club to protect a buddy.
Retaining Southgate during the limp to relegation and then again through that summer is another, though suspect this was more about a guilty conscience over appointing him and not resourcing him in 2008-09.
Appointing Steve Agnew and Jonathan Woodgate are other examples of Gibson prioritising his personal feeling over competence. Hunches.
Retaining pulis after the playoff no show was another with “Uncle Tony”.

I am not saying integrity and relationship don’t matter, just that they should not paper over competence shortfalls.
The Club must come before the Head Coach.

So Cardiff, I don’t see it as a “ballsy move” at all. I see it as really poor judgement again.
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And then appointing Monk who hadn't done anything of note in the game and handing over a huge war chest to him and his agent...totally destroying any chance we had of getting back up.
 
Mysonpat. said:
And then appointing Monk who hadn't done anything of note in the game and handing over a huge war chest to him and his agent...totally destroying any chance we had of getting back up.
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I fully agree with your point re Monk being poor judgement, but it’s not one blurred by the cosy relationship factor Gibson gets trapped in.
 
Get the feeling this "full review" is soft soaping the fans. It's a sugar coated excuse to keep Carrick.
Injuries, recruitment, selling Lath etc had absolutely nothing to do with Carrick switching the entire front 3 into their least favoured positions, nothing to do with watching the opposition manager changing shape/formation and stood on the touchline seemingly dumbfounded by it all, nothing to do with the obvious lack of fitness levels, nothing to do with the clear lack of aggression and real desire.

I'm not pretending there aren't other issues to address, but the biggest issue is the Head Coach - he's nowhere near up to the job.
 
Carrick will have to hit the ground running next season and stay in the top six throughout the season to keep his job.
 
indeedido said:
the cosy relationship factor Gibson gets trapped in
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That's just you making up "facts" to support your view of what is happening
indeedido said:
I am amazed other supporters are willing to be blind sided by a man who has a chronic history of dithering with managers who are obviously unsuitable
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An alternative interpretation is that Gibson gives his managers/coaches every chance to succeed, thus making us more attractive to applicants. Compared to say Watford where if you last to Christmas you'll get a long service award. That he sticks to his appointments can be a good thing. And if he has decided to stick with MC (no one knows yet) let's hope it proves to be a good call.
 
How many other clubs get worse year on year but keep hold of their manager?

Real small time mentality, what does he actually have to do to get sacked?

Look forward to having the same discussions two months into the season.

On the bright side at least we aren’t quite bad enough to go down.
 
Muttley said:
That's just you making up "facts" to support your view of what is happening

An alternative interpretation is that Gibson gives his managers/coaches every chance to succeed, thus making us more attractive to applicants. Compared to say Watford where if you last to Christmas you'll get a long service award. That he sticks to his appointments can be a good thing. And if he has decided to stick with MC (no one knows yet) let's hope it proves to be a good call.
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Has to be a point where you can see the club is holding onto a manager too long though?
Based on points, places and performances we have got worse every year he has been here. How much worse can it actually get before we have to sack him?
 
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